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#508196 - 03/13/18 07:51 PM Inherited German WWII Drilling - Looking for Info
muddy22 Offline
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Registered: 03/13/18
Posts: 10
Loc: NY
First of all, thanks to everyone who contributes to this forum. I've learned a lot already just reading other entries.

I inherited a German Drilling from my late father, who brought it back with him to NY at the end of WWII. It's been in storage until very recently. Fired 4 rounds a few weeks ago. It's in great condition cosmetically and mechanically. All original, nice engravings, walnut stock, horn trigger guard, low SN.

I'm looking to get info on it and determine its value. Many people suggested I come here.

The name on it is Robert Schuler - Koln. I've learned that Schuler was more of a retailer and not a gun maker, so still trying to determine who made it. There is a "JW" makers mark near the serial # - hoping someone has some insight on that. There are plenty of other marks as well.

I have photos - looking to find how to upload them to this forum. If anyone can help with that I'd appreciate it.

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#508244 - 03/14/18 12:02 PM Re: Inherited German WWII Drilling - Looking for Info [Re: muddy22]
Der Ami Offline
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Muddy22
Except for an estimate of value, we will do the best we can, after you post the photos.
Mike

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#508250 - 03/14/18 12:59 PM Re: Inherited German WWII Drilling - Looking for Info [Re: muddy22]
muddy22 Offline
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Registered: 03/13/18
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Loc: NY
Thanks. Got some help from a member (Keith) who sent me to Postimage.org. I was hoping to add the actual photos (not working) but here is the "hotlink" which, hopefully opens the gallery:

https://postimg.org/gallery/1zwwn64li/

I'll keep trying to get the actual images into the post (which I see others doing). please let me know if this hotlink isn't working.

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#508286 - 03/14/18 05:08 PM Re: Inherited German WWII Drilling - Looking for Info [Re: muddy22]
skeettx Offline
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Click on a single picture, click on "Share"
Copy info in direct link
Paste here
put [img] belore link
put [/img] behind link
no spaces

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#508302 - 03/14/18 06:03 PM Re: Inherited German WWII Drilling - Looking for Info [Re: muddy22]
Der Ami Offline
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Muddy22,
Your drilling is chambered for 8x57IR,as indicated by the 7.8mm over 57 and the proof for a steel jacketed bullet(Stmg) of 15grams weight.
The barrels are made of Krupp barrel steel. It is nitro proofed, and the crown G shows it was proofed for a single projectile(bullet)The crown U shows it went through a View proof, which is a detailed inspection, including verification of dimensions, after definitive proof. The 16 in a circle means it has a 65mm(21/2-2 9/16")16 ga.chamber. This was the standard at the time and is shorter than the current standard of 70mm( 2 3/4"). The 16/1 is the bore diameter of the barrel, ahead of the chamber. This is about 16.99mm, expressed in gauge measurement. The crown W means the barrel is choked, but the amount of constriction is not shown. The WK by the serial number(1789) is the mark of the rifle barrel maker. There were several that might have WK as initials. I didn't see a crown S, it means it was proofed for shot, if you find one. It was proofed in Suhl, but I didn't see a date( Normally found by the 7.8/57). If there isn't one the gun was likely proofed between 1911 and 1922. It has interrupting sears and cocking indicators. While incomplete, I hope you find this helpful. BTW, I think the drilling is very nice, with better than the standard game scene engraving, and I think you should keep it or pass it down.
Mike

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#508315 - 03/14/18 07:52 PM Re: Inherited German WWII Drilling - Looking for Info [Re: muddy22]
ellenbr Offline
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Lovely Kerner-Anson Drilling w/ bushed & disk set strikers.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

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#508322 - 03/14/18 08:41 PM Re: Inherited German WWII Drilling - Looking for Info [Re: Der Ami]
muddy22 Offline
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Registered: 03/13/18
Posts: 10
Loc: NY
Thanks for into. Two follow-up questions:
Barrels are marked: KRUPP-Lauer. I assumed these were the barrel makers.
If WK is the barrel maker, is there a way to determine the actual gun maker?

And would the gold inlaid RK in the stock be the owner?

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#508325 - 03/14/18 09:00 PM Re: Inherited German WWII Drilling - Looking for Info [Re: muddy22]
ellenbr Offline
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Krupp made bar stock & the Belgians converted the bar stock into rough bored tubes. The Germans purchased the rough bored tubes and transformed them into barrels. In this case, renown tube finished Wilhelm Kelber finished these. Not really a means to tell as Robert Schüler either had the marks worked off or instructed the mechanics to either hide their initials or leave them off all together. RK would have been the original custodian.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

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#508329 - 03/14/18 09:32 PM Re: Inherited German WWII Drilling - Looking for Info [Re: ellenbr]
muddy22 Offline
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Registered: 03/13/18
Posts: 10
Loc: NY
Raimey:
Thanks for the info. This is the first I've had anyone call this a Kerner-Anson gun. Does that mean they are the makers? If so, how did you decide that's the case?

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#508334 - 03/14/18 10:09 PM Re: Inherited German WWII Drilling - Looking for Info [Re: muddy22]
keith Offline
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Muddy22, you can simply click on any image in your Postimages gallery, and then left click on "Share" at the top-left of the page. You will get a drop-down list, and second from the bottom is "Hotlink for forums". Left click on the File icon at the right and it should say "copied". Then right click in the reply box here and select "paste". No need to put put [img] before link or put [/img] behind link. Simpler to do it like this:



Lovely drilling by the way. I agree with Mike. It's a keeper.
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