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Much appreciated, a comprehensible look.

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So Steve, as I understand what you've presented, after the tubes were welded they were sent to the grinder and it was there that the metal was removed, revealing the crolle or whatever desired pattern? Correct?


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Joe's Lindner Daly

Damas Corche at the (thicker) breech



Transition from Corche (at left) breech tube segment to Toncin at the muzzle segment which is ground thinner



Damas Toncin at the muzzle



I'm in awe of the mechanical artistry that enabled the tube makers to maintain such uniformity of some patterns from breech to muzzle

Parker AHE 6 Iron "Turkish" breech



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after the tubes were welded they were sent to the grinder and it was there that the metal was removed, revealing the crolle or whatever desired pattern? Correct?


That is correct Joe. The forged tubes went to the grinders, for removal of excess material and smoothing of the barrels outer surface. But, the damascus pattern is not revealed until the tubes are etched in acid. Ground and finish sanded damascus appears just like a piece of mono-steel.

One thing that I really wanted to convey in this information, is the effect of grinding depth on the damascus pattern. Flat stacked layers, such as Crolle pattern is created from, are the perfect representation of the grinding depth effect.

Given that there was probably little to no communication between the smiths and the barrel grinders, the smiths had no idea what barrel profile the tube would be ground to. So forging to place what would become the outer finished surface of the tube at a particular depth was impossible. The grinders could not see the damascus pattern in the tubes while grinding and perhaps had no idea what the patterns in the tubes actually were. They were grinding to match the specified profile for that particular barrel. It seems likely that the damascus patterns in many barrels may not have been known until after etching.


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Glad to hear that my information has proven to be helpful in understanding these damascus patterns!

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Yes. I sometimes get carried away with commas. This was a challenging subject to illustrate and explain. Each of the illustrations required multiple computer applications to create. Working on it for hours at a time made my head hurt. Constant additions and revisions to the text were necessary, as I attempted to explain what in the illustrations was important to notice. It seems that I was more focused on the illustrations than on eloquent writing.

Doc Drew has already graciously provided me with some better wording for some of the text. I will update shortly.

Ive been promised some high quality photos of the Pieper barrel. Once received, Ill also change out that very poor image in the current document.

Thanks for the appreciation!!


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Magnificent work. Thank you.
I'm tempted to go out and buy some coloured modelling clay smile


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Here you go Nick

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I agree--absolutely "Magnificent"
Thank you

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Thanks for the link Drew. Nice results in the pics.


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