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I assumed the 0533 would be the date code: May , 1933.

Nominal 16 gauge bore size of .662" = 16.8 mm so 16.7 mm would only be .1 mm undersized, though this would not normally be expected to be found on the action flats, only on the barrels forward of the flats. Are there any bore size markings there?

No, but �70� is stamped on the face of the ejector flanges that contact the breech face.
JBP

From what I see, I would guess it to be a end of the War example, possible offered by Otto Reif, but more than likely made by Edgar Strempel. Either Otto Reif, Edgar Strempel or both had access or a store of Simson components that they used to fill orders. this one seems to be cobbled together from surplus parts and that might explain the odd Schilling forge mark on the water-table.

The chamber & cartridge length are present but few, if any actual official proofmarks. There are some very worn marks just forward of the breech with one be a W.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=300183&page=1

Info on post WWII marks:

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=261946#Post261946

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

It is an amazing gun probably from a set. Thanks for sharing

I think I shall open up the side plates and see what lies beneath....any predictions?
JBP

Wood. And some hidden hammer screws.

I find that the sideplated boxlocks are a very stable configuration. Because under the plate there is a good square surface for recoil. Vs the more typical scalloped actions which can suffer from chipping and stress cracking over time.

I'm backing Raimey, "Otto Reif, but more than likely made by Edgar Strempel."

Although I've never heard of those two but would like too.

As it appears this is a custom gun, built from Schilling, Simson Parts, Krupp best steel tubes, what model of the major Suhl players would it most resemble or be patterned after ( equivalent to?)��Heym mo. 4,5?, Sauer mo. 40, 45 ? ( did Sauer make any with side plates?) Simson mo._______?

Does the engraving style point to Kolb?

Did Strempel have his own favored style or build that he was identified with?

Best Regards,
JBP

I have absolutely zero books on the German gun makers. A big error on my part.