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French 16 ga. Looks very much like a Manufrance gun. Right barrel rifled with right hand twist.Left barrel smooth. I've seen many French guns but none with rifling. Serial # 78262 on fore end, no # on any other part.Modest engraving. Info appreciated.

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Photos of proof marks, barrel flats, water table, key, chambering marks, etc. would help. Please. Naturabuy.Fr has a number of French shotguns with rifling.


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Canon raye. Becassier (spelling?). Creates spreader patterns for woodcock...Geo

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Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
Canon raye. Becassier (spelling?). Creates spreader patterns for woodcock...Geo


Yep. Just as Geo says, rifled to disperse shot at under 15 m.
Would love to see pix & details on your fusil becassier!

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Its as GN says, raye bored, if only near the muzzle.

In the FWIW dept. there are several dif. rifled shotgun bbls.

1) Gauge bored w/which I have zero experience aside from having seen some interesting specimens.

2) raye bored; a uniquely French approach to wood cock. note: a long time ago I used to get a rise here ref.in' it as a ortolon boring, but too many knew the real drill;-)

3) paradox guns, used to impart a spin for stabilization of slugs and balls used against dangerous game

4) diffusion type or rifled screw-in chokes

In my experience, raye bores and the rifled or diffusion type screw-in chokes all yield IC percentage patterns when using plastic wads and that would be my expectation w/the gun you describe from its rifled bbl.

Should you buy it and find otherwise, would be much interested in knowing about that.

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I would love to see it

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That number, if an Ideal, would put it with only 367 other Ideals made in 1939, with WWII already pounding on the door. There may not have been time to put much engraving on. frown

You state no other markings/numbers- I would be surprised if the finished bore diameters, in mm, are absent from the tubes just ahead of the flats.


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Originally Posted By: hammersleyfork
French 16 ga. Looks very much like a Manufrance gun. Right barrel rifled with right hand twist.Left barrel smooth. I've seen many French guns but none with rifling. Serial # 78262 on fore end, no # on any other part.Modest engraving. Info appreciated.


Particularly likely that it's a woodcock version (becassier) if the barrels are short and the gun is light. The French seem to specialize in that particular setup, although I've seen some Italian guns with one barrel that has dispersion rifling.

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Guns International 100943538 shows barrels of sample gun from muzzle end. While the gun doesn't show being shot much Interestingly previous owner used very tightly choked left barrel more than rifled right tube.

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I would LOVE to hear/see some empirical evidence from paper patterning of one of these barrels versus a cylinder bore or improved cylinder choke. Please, please, please, if someone has one, could you post pattern-board pictures of one of the pattern from one of these barrels versus the other open chokes (or lack thereof)?


These guns seem to be a white buffalo of sorts for me. Finding one with good condition, but also for the right price is seemingly a difficult challenge given the small sample of these guns that made it to our shores here in the US.

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