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Steven, The action you asked about is a Hein (Alaska made) that is modeled in the Webley 1897 style. All of the parts are there.
The reason for the starkness of the images is that I did the photography for a tri-fold brochure. When the actions get back I'll do a more comprehensive set of images for each.
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Paul, The Martini is a switch barrel and the chamberings are .17 HMR and .22 RF Mag.
The action is a Model 12 BSA that Morris profiled like the Model 6 takedown versions. The barrels are 24" long and are full ovate profiled. I have an early Francotte .410 Martini that has a top tang and that was the inspiration for the tang. I'm working on a .25-35 Martini and I scalloped it and it was a nice touch that got incorporated in Morris' rifle.
Some years ago I tried to make a peep sight base for a Martini that used the cleaning rod hole as the attachment point. My base never got completed but during the development of this action Morris ran with the idea. I found windage adjustable Lyman peeps that use a lateral dovetail for adjustment and these got incorporated into Morris' base design saving a big effort in making the entire sight. They sights are readily removable with a few turns of the thumb screw and the only mounting vestige visible when the sight is removed is a small dimple where the thumb screw secures the sight.
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What is "full ovate"? As in oval in cross section?
I was wondering if the grip on the Martini might be pretty tall since the lever seems to dive downwards very fast and the strong hand has to be set back a ways to be behind the "tang" sight. But a Model 12 Martini is pretty small so the scale is undoubtedly sufficiently small.
My old Martini .22 (Model 1215?) had a rear tang sight as factory made. I believe the sight was a "Model 8", but memory is not infallable of course, especially mine. Not sure why you didn't simply go that route, however.
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Dennis:
Can you tell us more about the Hein action. I cannot find anything on the web. Is it a one off or are others available?
Thanks
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Brent, Ovate (hint ovum) means egg shaped. The bottom half of the profile cross section is a hemisphere and the top half is like the small end of an egg with the top removed to form the rib.
The lever contour is the same as the four-barrel Martini project and nearly identical to the Hoffman.
I'm fairly sure that my Hoffman and G&H Martinis both had Model 8 BSA peeps as there are nicks in the top of the grip area from the aperture hitting the wood when folded down. The last Model 12 Martini that I got had one of the Parker Hales and they are clubby and not attractive. The BSA and the Parker Hales for Martinis are, I believe, inferior to the Lyman tang sights, the Parker Hale unsuitable for a high quality custom rifle.
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Antonio, It is my understanding that only 3 of these Hein actions were made. Fine workmanship in both fit and finish. Morris barreled this rifle with a Krieger blank, it is 26" long, full ovate and chambered for the .470 Nitro Express.
Morris probably can tell you more about the action if you contact him.
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Skeettx, No these are Lyman 29 1/2 and Lyman 30 1/2 sights. See earlier narrative on the sights you reference.
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Actually, having used both the Lymans (old vintage) and the Martini, I would say their qualities are quite comparable - though neither quite in keeping with the rifle that you are creating. The Martini I had was a club competition rifle and actually far more repeatable than a Lyman as well (a critical feature in my mind). But either way, what I was really getting at was the means of anchoring the sight to the action, not the sight itself. What you have will certainly work though. It's a great rifle.
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Wow Dennis! Morris did an incredible job with all those actions but my favorite is the pistol grip Rolling Block with Rigby Flats. I was fortunate to see Morris' barrel work first hand and am glad you (he) are sharing these with the forum.
Very nicely done! ... Joe
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