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Alder Adder, please post some pictures when it arrives. Thanks Will do.
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Just to be fair to all involved, I have additional information that might be useful. I have been contacted by someone who has a CSMC made M 21. He bought it new himself, and had to return it fourteen times to attempt to get defects, and damages incurred while under the care of CSMC, repaired and put right. He emailed me pictures and complete documentation of the 18 month ordeal. He finally sold the gun for 60% of the purchase price just to get rid of it.
I have first hand information of several RBLs that were problematic from new. Actually, I've never known of one, firsthand, that was without problems. I know there are many that will be espoused, but I'm reporting firsthand experiences, and reports from owners, only.
My take on all this ...........
(1) I appreciate that CSMC is American owned and operated. I do not know Tony, but I do know Lou, and consider him a friend.
(2) I know of many, many CSMC guns, of several "makes", that were problematic from new.
(3) I have never seen a new, defective, Beretta.
I just have to reason that where there's smoke, there's fire.
SRH
May God bless America and those who defend her.
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Pretty accurate summation, Stan. I knew Tony when knowing Tony meant nothing, haven't interacted with him in several years. Lou is a true friend and has helped me on numerous deals.
I've owned several RBL's in 20, 28 and 12 ga. The 20 Launch edition was a gorgeous gun and never gave any problems, but I only put less than 100 rounds through it. Sold the 28 not long after buying it, don't think I ever shot it once.
I've had 2 heavy-frame 32" 12 ga. RBL's, and both had issues that were fixed quickly and without further problems . Both are now in others' hands. I currently still own a 30" light frame 12 ga. RBL that is a killer gun and has been very reliable at doves and clays, so far...
JR
Last edited by John Roberts; 03/20/18 12:14 AM.
Be strong, be of good courage.
God bless America, long live the Republic.
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I really want CSMC to produce high quality American doubles. I may have given the impression that I have an axe to grind with them. That is the farthest thing from the truth. My dream gun is one of their 20 ga. Foxes. But, I just can't "pull the trigger" knowing what I do about so many guns that have left their shop not right, and how many times some of them have gone back to be fixed and were either damaged in the shop, not fixed properly, or both. I truly wish the company my best. They are building some beautiful guns.
SRH
May God bless America and those who defend her.
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It looks like it would be a viable alternative to second-hand Orvis-Ruger Red Label. The early ones with blackened frames usually had nice piece of wood on them.
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From the catalog pictures, the Revelation appears to share at least the same trigger and floorplate as the M21 o/u that costs four times as much. Hmmm. Am I oversimplifying?
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No, same basic gun. Cosmetic differences only. A Rizzini clone.
JR
Be strong, be of good courage.
God bless America, long live the Republic.
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I can say that the 21 O/U available through RGS has a very small grip. Too tight a radius for me. Seemed more for a lady truthfully.
Out there doing it best I can.
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For anybody who has handled the Revelation, or very similar Inverness, would anybody prefer the 30 inch barrel over the 28, and why?
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I have had one in my hands and it looked very good and was good to shoot a few birds at skeet. This one had upgrade wood and I believe it was not very good. When you look at raw material costs the stock wood must have become the most expensive single item in a shotgun. Expect further decline in wood quality.
Bill
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