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The Banc D'Epreuves de Liege provisional proof on the thumb push guns is the only I've seen where it would be visible. All the other tube maker's ( not proof) marks, on every U.S. maker's gun, are on the bottom of the barrels just forward of the flats. 'JDH' is an unknown maker's mark on Lefevers 1892 G grade  The others are 'ADH' - Arthur-Delvaux-Heuse & George Laloux (posted on p.2). Lots of examples http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/18490292
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I recall Russ Ruple saying he had had several Lefevers with proof marks, but don't believe he stated whether they were on top or not, just assumed they were underneath where at last the forend would have to be removed to see them.
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I have several Lefevers with proof marks on the bottom of the barrels.
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This catalog (Jan 1, 1889) shows a cocking rod gun with side pivot top lever. It also mentions the 3 position safety & the top lever being held over by a latch. I will have to look for certain, maybe tomorrow, but am quite certain my side pivot rod cocker has only a 2 position safety & as I recall the lever goes back to center as the gun is closed, being cammed open by the rib extension on closing. I was correct, my gun, SN 10,515, does have only the two position safety & the top lever does come back to center when the gun is fully opened, no hold over latch. The lower surface of the doll's head is cut on a radius which cams the lever over to the right as the barrels are closed. The extractor is not secured. The track in the bottom of the rib extension in which the extractors ride seems to be cut with a slight taper as it nears the outer limit which provides tension to prevent extractor falling out, but it can be grasped & pulled out against this tension with no tools needed. It has all of the compensating features of these early Lefevers. If there are any other details anyone would like, just ask & I will try my best to provide an answer. PS; I will note my gun has the smooth concave rib as pictured in the gun drew showed with the proof marks. The rib marking reads Lefever Arms Co Makers Syracuse NY rather than patentees & reads in the opposite direction than Drew's example. The 1889 catalog states all guns unless otherwise ordered will be supplied with a matted rib. There are no proof nor barre;makers marks which I can find, either top or bottom. I have a two hook gun with a GL bbl makers mrk & some large hook guns with SBL&Co marks.
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This discussion has been great in improving my understanding of serial number anomalies. It makes good sense that barrels were numbered when they came to the factory and that frames were numbered later to the barrels to which they were fitted. Thank you for this good discussion. On the proof mark question, I have had Damascus barreled Lefevers with no proof marks, Belgian proof marks
or hallmarks, and one with a Birmingham proof mark. On fluid steel barrels, once tubes less expensive than Whitworth and Krupp were introduced, I recall another proof mark of a Belgian maker or distributor of fluid steel tubes. I do not remember the specific letters or symbols.
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neither my lefever Nitro Special or my lefever A grade carry any extra proof marks.....  although both are marked for choke constriction....
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Ithaca... like you didn't already know...Geo
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I'm talking Syracuse Lefevers not Nitro Specials.
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do I detect an un-noble attitude....
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Ithaca... like you didn't already know...Geo you say that like it is an insult.... and yes I know the difference....but for some reason the attitude of most "Lefever" owners rubs me the wrong way.....they have some diluted opinion that the Lefever is the be all and end all in American doubles....more of a designer that couldn't make up his mind what he wanted to do.....
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