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   Merkel Frres ATM Manufacture "ATM" D'Armes Socit Anonyme de Constructions Mcaniques de la Loire. So, what might ATM represent or better phrased, what does the T denote? Many thanks Argo for the effort. Cheers, Raimey rse
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Ask a question clearly...and voila:
manufacture ATM ( AUTOMOTO ) successeurs de la S.A. de constructions mécaniques de la Loire était un fabricant référencé du bassin Stéphanois au siécle passé, installée rue Gutenberg , avec des succursales à Liège et Suhl en Allemagne ( exploitation de la licence Merkel). ils ont produit - entre - autre - des cycles , motocycles , machines à coudre , fusils ( dont un modéle à canons fixes ) et bien d'autres produits industriels.
en tapant fusils ATM / automoto St Etienne sur un quelconque moteur de recherche , tu dois pouvoir recouper plus d'infos sur cette vieille firme gènéraliste.
(Search the above in red)
Rough translation: Manufacturer ATM (AUTOMOTO), successors of the Company of Mechanical constructions of the Loire, were a manufacturer in the Saint Etienne Loire basin from the 20th century, headquartered on Rue Gutenberg, with branches in Liege and Suhl in Germany (using the Merkel license). They produced among other things, cycles, motorcycles, sewing machines, guns (including a model with fixed barrels)(assume this is a Darne copy) and a good number of other industrial products.
type on (the above red search words) on a search engine and you'll be able to pull up info on this old generalist company.
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I would assume the time period would be the mid to late 1930s. So is Gebrder Merkel sourcing components, labour, etc. from Paris & St.-tienne or were those just satellite store fronts?
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I still like this explanation: Raimey, ATM-football...hummmm am I getting close? (Ok, Bear and Gene Stallings tried to help there with indifferent success so I don't think the new management Jumbo just hired is going to worry Saban). ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/HuSQu1I.png)
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And here I thought it was just the French keyboard?
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Yeah, I've chuckled 'bout that all day. May bleed over into tomorrow. Put a check in your effort column.
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Raise your hands of those who knew about this tid-bit of info 'bout Gebrder Merkel's story? Here I thought it was simply a Merkel catalogue in French.
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Actually Raimey it's a very interesting side-light to the Saint-Étienne industrial story. Early on this board I bought a war-trophy St Étienne 12 gauge with "Wonder" on the key. I finally figured out it was probably marketed by Ravat who had a trademark "Wonder" for bicycles and mortorcycles. It's what got me first questioning this whole "Helice" thing. http://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=448156&page=1 But Ravat is nowhere listed in the St Étienne chamber of commerce listing of manufacturers of firearms and parts.. or whatever.. Nor is ATM. Except we haven't looked very hard. Yet. Per the above, it looks like Merkel licensed the use of their name to a St Étienne company. Plus...here's a 1920's-30's German company marketing their name to French manufacturers. And a few years later.,,,,
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  Mine is a 1933 gun.
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