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No kidding. Some things just make you go 'duh'.
While 18.7 may be a tad tight for the chamber, SAAMI drawings show shell diameter as .744 with a tolerance of -.009.
The chamber is likely marked to the 'most significant' tenth of a millimeter.
A shell at SAAMI minimum should chamber.
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I had one just like it once. It had an extractor issue so I let it go, but in retrospect, it would have been a simple fix. Oh well. Fantastic little gun.
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Beautiful gun. Should be a nice shooter.
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Thanks guys for clearing up the bore size misidentification I made. The good news about making an embarrassing mistake like I did was that I won't be likely to make it again. Thanks again!
Steve
PS it's still one helluva nice looking gun and lightweight even for a 16 gauge.
Approach life like you do a yellow light - RUN IT! (Gail T.)
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It would be great if we could find out who made that gun. There has to be some way.
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Encircled JM initials more than likely points toward either Joseph Moray or Jacques Moray of Nessonvaux, I 2nd the previous post.
Cheers,
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Everyone, thanks for all the great info. I'll give it another double-check for any further marks that may direct us toward the maker.
fallschirmjaeger - yes, it is a Gunbroker find. It caught my attention because I am a sucker for a lightweight 16ga SxS.
The first two photos are from the seller. The remaining photos are courtesy of my Fuji X-E2 with a Fujinon 60mm macro lens. The gun was hand held under fluorescent light in my basement.
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Definitely look again because I didn't see a 'date code' stamp in any of your previous pics. Got to be one somewhere.
The 'T' inspectors mark is either Laenen Clement from 1952 to 1986 or Vostes Gustave from 1974 to 1988.
Given the other stamps it was probably Laenen Clement's mark.
But the 'AV' inspectors mark looks like the 'V' was stamped over it. The 'A' is probably Louid Croux Francois from 1951 to 1954. And the 'V' is Macon Isidor from 1929 to 1953. So looking at those marks it seems like your gun was built in the early 50s.
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Inspector's marks can not be used to date a vintage Belgian double without a lettre annale. The marks were re-used, and the significant of many has been lost; I believe PeteM said related to a fire at the Liege Proof House in the 30s.
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I see. So we need that 'date code' stamp for a positive date?
I figured that was to easy when there is nothing easy about figuring out a Belgium Guild gun.
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