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Hi All,

Below are photos of a new-to-me Belgian Guild 16ga SxS. I am new to Belgian Guild guns and would appreciate any info you experts care to offer. Maker? Year? Etc. . . . TIA!
















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Great pictures

2 1/2 inch chambers
Made before 1922
Black powder proofed *AV
and then Smokeless proofed *T

http://www.shotguns.se/html/belgium.html

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That 'T' looks more like an inspectors mark. Can't find a 'date' stamp anywhere in those pics.

The 'JM' is a barrel makers mark and is probably Joseph and Jacques MORAY in Nessonvaux near Liege.

Looks like you got yourself a great little game gun.

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The *T is an inspectors mark, see the lion PV under the mark

Same with the *AV , see the EL under the mark

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The D = 65/18.7 is chamber dimensions. Chamber was 65 mm long with a diameter just ahead of the rim seat of 18.7 mm.
The P 1K238.6 was weight of the barrels only as proofed.
If those digital scales can be switched to metric you can check to see if they still weigh that or at least very close. If the bores have been honed extensively or otherwise enlarged they will weigh light. If the scales don't convert you will have to convert the kilograms to lbs.


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According to the barrel measurement, it's a 12 gauge gun with 2.5" chambers. Damn, it's lightweight too, I want it!

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Originally Posted By: Rockdoc
According to the barrel measurement, it's a 16 gauge gun with 2.5" chambers. Damn, it's lightweight too, I want it!

Steve


That is a sweet gun.

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Steve: 18.7mm = .736". The standard U.S. 16g chamber was .745".
The markings just forward of the flats should have bore in mm over muzzle dimensions if made after 1910.

What Treblig said
http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/art...acques%20gb.htm

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Shinbone, did you get that on gunbroker? I bid on that as well...

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The gun is marked as 16 ga, not 12.
Mike

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