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I'm trying to find out some history behind this gun. Does anyone know anything about it, or can point me in the direction of where to learn about it? Any info would be appreciated! I don't know how to upload pictures, so I added them to Facebook and am including the link here. I hope that works. Thank you! Facebook
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Images of the marks are warranted. With that German advertising on the side of the tubeset, it is more than likely if Belgian origin
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Do you know where I should start my search on it? Which word is the advertisement?
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You are at the fount of info, we just need images of the touchmarks to determine what you have. I can't seem to view the images currently, but the advertising is the German phrase noting a stout powder.
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Hello Jessica Welcome on your first postings Nice shotgun What we need you to post on facebook are pictures of the gun with the barrels off, action flats and bottom breech of the barrels so we can see the proofing marks to determine age and country of origin See here http://www.shotguns.se/html/belgium.htmlor here http://www.shotguns.se/html/germany_1890-1945.htmlPictures like this please Mike
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Adolf Loesche, Hoflieferant in Magdeburg
He was a firearms merchant that sourced his wares from gunmaking centres, where it was cheaper to have them manufactured. There they took his order, but it to spec & then put his name atop. It is possible that some adornment was applied @ Waffen Loesche and some repairs were made there. But there wasn't a manufacturing facility there.
Adolf Loesche, A. Helmuthauser & G. Loesche - Hannover - Gr. Packhofstrasse 21 was his other retail outlet. Adolf Loesche opened his shop at Koelner Str.13, Magdeburg, in 1873. Son Gustav Loesche took over in 1905 and by 1916 Waffen-Loesche, Magdeburg is listed at Wilhelmstrasse 13 (street renamed?). In 1916 he acquired the remains of the bankrupt/defunct Stendebach & Co, Suhl. He closed this Suhl branch in 1926. His branch in Berlin is documented post-WW1 only, 1925-1941. Adolf Loesche, Grosse Packhofstrasse 21, Hannover branch was opened in 1919, together with A. Helmuthauser.
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skeettx, see if you can grab the image of the German phrase on the side of the tubes.
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Official Smokeless but the 3rd term is spelled incorrectly.
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Ah, I finally remembered it:
"Amtlich Rauchlos Erprobt"
One sees this phrase also:
"amtlich vierfach geprueft und eingeschossen mit staerkster ladung rauchlosen pulvers"
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Indeed, labour of love...... fetish of the Golden Age....
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I've added more pictures to the link. I took it apart and took pictures of the proofing marks. Please let me know if you need more info! Facebook
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Indeed Belgian & passed thru the Liege proof facility in 1927 as it wears a small "f". 16 bore w/ short 65mm(2 1/2") chambers. Looks like it was made by a mechanic who used the stamp of a DF w/ an arrow / a sword thru it.
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I forgot to note that the trademark of DF w/ an arrow/ a sword thru it that of Dumoulin Frères who filed for protection on 12.08.1881(August 12th) as Dumoulin Frères, Boulevard de la Sauvenière, 89 in Liege.
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Ok, I have a question! If his gun was made in 1927, how did the mechanic file for protection in 1881? Or he filed for protection 46 years before he made the gun?
Great info y'all! Thank you so much for your help. How common are these guns? How much would you ask to sell it for? Not that I'm selling it, I'm just curious.
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Well, more than likely there a couple generations of Brothers Dumoulin so possibly a father filed for trademark protection in 1881. Then his son or nephew was the supervisor over these 1927 examples.
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I understand! Thank you Raimey! Do you know how much it would be worth?
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