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moses #492861 10/23/17 08:19 PM
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There are a couple threads on the 16 gauge society site about this.

Interestingly, it appears that the SP16 was designed for a straight wall hull, just one with a smaller ID than is common now.

The bigger the powder flake, the less chance for powder migration.

I don't load 16, but I wouldn't be hesitant to try what you have planned and see how it goes.


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I suppose that I could invert the wad over a mandrill, somehow, & give the cup a bit of a tap to spread the sealing lips outward a bit. Or use a sized over powder card.
That is if there is a concern after a few measurements.

If it is so close that no powder migration happens then pressure upon firing should take care of the rest of the sealing issues.
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I doubt you will have any issues using the taper wall Remington wads in a straight walled case w/the proviso that they seal/expand well enough at the forcing cone that you don't experience bloopers. I've had the experience were some wads did not, but it involved long or opened forcing cones or overly large diameter bores. If your bores, chambers and forcing cones are unmodified I doubt it would be an issue. Just saying.

If you are worried about powder migration, just apply some pressure to the wad when its being loaded/seated and be sure you have a tight crimp. As mentioned earlier, the powder granule size can make a difference, but flake powders lend themselves to staying put w/a bit of wad pressure and a tight crimp. At least that's been my experience. Plastic wads may require no pressure, but it does not mean you can't apply some anyway.

I'd try that first before going to any added bother.

If you really wanted to go to the trouble you could make a hand held forming tool like an old time soldering iron with the head being a cylindrical piece of copper and the end having a conical taper on it so that it would expand the skirt a few thousandths of an inch. Heat it in a pan of boiling water as you will not need a lot of heat to form an expanded diameter on the wad's skirt.

Original Ljutic Mono-Wads were simply plugs cut from some type of fibre board. You can fabricate a wad cutter by taking a piece of tubing that has the correct inside dia. for your desired wad diameter and simply grinding a chamfer on its outer side, so that you form a cutting edge on one end. With a block of wood for backing and a mallet for driving it, you are in business. Stick its cutting end in some paraffin wax for lubricant and it goes better and after a while you are almost producing waxed wads. They are also easier to push out of the wad cutter. Use a wooden down for that. Just some thoughts; perhaps something of use to you. The punches that one can buy are known by the name of arch punches.

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You could also make an "oversized" overpowder wad with a piece of heavy paper cut slightly larger than the interior diameter and seated before the plastic wad if you're worried about powder migration. It would be thin enough and light enough that it wouldn't change pressures or require other changes to the reloading data.

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In a land now gone, in a time before time, there was a BBS to which most members of this subscribed and in which most members participated. Unfortunately, it was killed by it's rulers. Before it's demise, a poster named Lenord wrote of using twenty gauge wads in sixteen gauges with printed load data from common sources. Results were successful. Try the sixteen gauge society. I'll bet they have the results. It worked for me until I inherited about ten thousand proper wads.

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Success at last. Brownell's Au have supplied me seven bags of wads, 1,750 wads.
They said Gamaliel is the brand & they are for straight wall cases.
No more of that stock & they are old stock.
Charged me $140 posted.
Love it.
Now I can get that Lee Load-all, 2 that my good wife bought me, into action.
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Far easier than having to "MacGyver" the wads. Good luck. Gil

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Good work. Now enjoy the delights that the 16 has to offer. Lagopus.....

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Very nice hearing of your fortuitous outcome! BTW, Gamaliel's is a supplier, not A mfg. They are known for quality components, so not to worry.

Good shooting to ya, mate!

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Originally Posted By: Cary
In a land now gone, in a time before time, there was a BBS to which most members of this subscribed and in which most members participated. Unfortunately, it was killed by it's rulers. Before it's demise, a poster named Lenord wrote of using twenty gauge wads in sixteen gauges with printed load data from common sources. Results were successful. Try the sixteen gauge society. I'll bet they have the results. It worked for me until I inherited about ten thousand proper wads.


That was old Lenard Lemke, I'll betcha. He lived up in the Pacific NW, and shot starlings with abandon. Very affable guy. I once asked him if he was any kin to Mark Lemke, 2nd baseman for the Braves ........... he just laughed.

Hope you're doing well, Cary.

SRH


May God bless America and those who defend her.
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