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Originally Posted By: Walter C. Snyder
I would suggest a SKB 20 ga. with IC/Mod chokes. An inexpensive gun that will last his life time.


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Citori upland special? Here is a local affordable example for price comp purposes:

https://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/threads/fs-browning-citori-upland-special-20-gauge.1502801/

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Lots of good input, thank you all! A plain boxlock would be perfect, especially a light 12. I just haven't found it yet. Ted: I know where there is a decent 17 for sale. I see it almost every week. My fallback is a M31L in 20.

James: he out-grew his Model 12 (1913 20 bore). Too short now.

Mr. Snyder: the SKB is great suggestion.

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How about a 20 gauge Stevens 5100 or 312? Inexpensive and sturdy, although they are double trigger. Light enough for a youngster and the double trigger makes them think before the second shot.


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My 14yr old son and I are going through this excersize right now. Years ago I bought him a Remington 1100 special field 20 - nothing on earth as easy on a new shooter than a gas operated 20ga. He shot it a few times, but knew I prefer a double and I guess felt slighted by shooting the repeater. Right now he's shooting a 20ga sxs in the 6# range with a leather covered pad. It's more brisk than the 1100, but manageable and he hits clays in the back yard with it. I woulld hesitate to put a 12 in his hands too soon. Especially a light one. Most young men won't dare say it kicks too much and are more likely to lose interest or, almost as bad, develop bad habits.

This is the rationale that has lead us to a fairly interested young teenager asking to shoot clay pigeons every chance we get.

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My 13 year old grandson just started his first hunting season. We started him out a few months ago at our club shooting Wobble Trap with the machine set to throw high. I had him start with my Browning Citori 16 gauge and he did well by the third and fourth round. We usually shoot two rounds a session, once a week. He's tried a few other guns- a Hunter Arms Fulton 20 Gauge , an H&R Hammerless Single Shot 12 gauge and my Browning Superposed 12 gauge. He did well with the 12 gauges , but I think the 16 gauge has been a perfect fit for him. Just a little heavy for him , throwing an ounce of number 8 shot in the Herters Dove/Target loads enables him to get good hits on the clays. Tonight he hit 20 out of 25 in his second round. We're looking forward to the Youth Duck Season this Saturday. It looks like I've lost my main bird gun, but gained a hunting/shooting partner.

I'd agree with looking for a good used Citori or Beretta if possible. I was initially going to buy him one of the new Savage O/Us, but one of my fellow club members had his Savage double on him on the line the week before my grandson started.

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This older single shot Savage is hammerless with a tang safety and if you can use Winlites or load your own it may be what you want.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/694749370

Depending on the size of the young person, (if small) I alway thought a gas operated semi plugged to only hold the one in the chamber might be a more comfortable choice. But that moves you away from your original request.

The Weatherby SA-20? I don't own one of these but I've read good reviews.

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Originally Posted By: Colin1949
Single shot shotgun. There are enough of them to be found (Winchester Model 37, Savage, Stevens, H&R, etc.). It is what I learned when my dad was teaching me back in the early 60s. I learned the value of my shots. I graduated to a side by when I got older, but I never forgot how much I learned shooting that used Stevens. I had to pull the hammer back every time I loaded a new shell.

There's no better shot than the man who only has 1.

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SKB is a good option. Also a Ruger Red Label in 20 ga. If looking for a auto a Standard Weight 20 ga which is built on a 12 ga frame works well. Put a over length plug into it so it holds only one-off shell in the magazine. Two total. In fact I started my son out with a 1100 loading only one shell with none in the magazine. I would be more inclined to go with a 12 ga and reload shells for a boy from 7/8 to 1 1/8 ounce in a semi. Recoil is a real problem in light guns. And never give a kid a 20 ga then drop a couple of 3" shells in it. Those kick like a mule in a 20, kind of kill on both ends.

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I'm also very much in favor of starting a kid out with single shot rifles and shotguns. They are a great choice from the standpoints of learning proper gun handling and safety, and learning there is more to good shooting than flinging the maximum amount of lead. I started out with the 20 gauge version of the aforementioned Savage model 220 hammerless which I bought with my paper route money. I still have it, and still have the Winchester Model 67A single shot .22 that Santa Claus left under the tree when I was 10. They both provide a lot of memories, and I can't imagine ever selling them.

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James: he out-grew his Model 12 (1913 20 bore). Too short now.
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But since the genie is already out of the bottle, and your son has been using a shortened 20 ga. Model 12, the most cost effective solution might be to simply buy a longer buttstock to get a few more years out of his present shotgun. You could hang on to the shortened butt to make it suitable for another kid in the future... maybe your grandson.


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