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There are many people on this board far more familiar with German proofs than I am. but I'll take a shot. It can be confusing because there are different systems for Imperial/Weimar/Nazi Germany before 1939, wartime/Nazi Germany 1939-1945, Communist East Germany ~1945-1992, West Germany 1945-1992, and reunited Germany 1992-present. Most of those systems saw subtle or obvious changes in marks over their respective timelines, and some specific marks are common to multiple systems.
My best guess for these marks
Germany, made between 1912 and 1939
Chambered for 12 gauge shells
Both bores between .719" and .729 diameter
Left bore choked
Proofed for smokeless (nitro) powder
No date code or chamber lengths marked. Would that narrow the dates?
If I've misstated anything, someone correct me, please!
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My best guess for these marks
Germany, made between 1912 and 1939
Chambered for 12 gauge shells
Both bores between .719" and .729 diameter
Left bore choked
Proofed for smokeless (nitro) powder
No date code or chamber lengths marked.
That fits. The seller says 2-9/16 chambers.
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Indeed, 1912-1923(early) Suhl & more than likely from Rhömerwerke/Römerwerk, or the components were sourced from Römerwerk.
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Indeed, 1912-1923(early) Suhl & more than likely from Rhömerwerke/Römerwerk, or the components were sourced from Römerwerk. I apologize in advance for the dumb question but, is that a good thing?
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that is a very good thing...
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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Yeah, I'd say a good thing due to the stakeholders:
"Jacob Roehmer, Suhl was the manager of the "Römerwerk", mostly a machine shop and parts factory supplying the guntrade, though they made guns of their own too, like the unique "Roemerpistole",which could be converted to a selfloading rifle, or the selfloading "Beckerflinte" shotgun. Many "name" gunmakers like Dornheim, Greifelt, Thieme & Schlegelmilch, Stadelmann, several Kesslers, Funks, Jungs were shareholders."
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=233908&Searchpage=1&Main=21498&Words=r%F6merwerk&Search=true#Post233908
More than likely a side x side made for the trade. Any letters on the floorplate, buttplate or under the buttplate?
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"Chasing something else like the Beckerflinte, Becker & Holländer Waffenbau or just info on Becker and found some RW and RWS initials that caught my eye. RW and RWS just might be for Römerwerk Waffenteilefabrik for a finite time span.
Vorbohren, bohren, reiben und honen - sources give that a large percentage of tubes at one time originated at Römerwerk Waffenteilefabrik(1921-1931?)- Some give an origin prior to WWI. Friedrich Wilhelm Heym looks to have heavily sourced Römerwerk and owned or absorbed it at some point(1931-1938).
"Jacob Roehmer, Suhl was the manager of the "Römerwerk", mostly a machine shop and parts factory supplying the guntrade, though they made guns of their own too, like the unique "Roemerpistole",which could be converted to a selfloading rifle, or the selfloading "Beckerflinte" shotgun. Many "name" gunmakers like Dornheim, Greifelt, Thieme & Schlegelmilch, Stadelmann, several Kesslers, Funks, Jungs were shareholders."
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=233908&Searchpage=1&Main=21498&Words=r%F6merwerk&Search=true#Post233908
I believe Emil & Ernst Kerner, Christoph Funk, Thieme & Schlegelmilch-mentioned above(later owned by Alfred & Ernst Funk), F.W. Keßler(mentioned above) and a few others also sourced Römerwerk."
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=312878&Searchpage=1&Main=23624&Words=r%F6merwerk&Search=true#Post312878
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Raimey
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More than likely a side x side made for the trade. Any letters on the floorplate, buttplate or under the buttplate?
Can't say for sure. It's listed online. There are no letters on the exterior of the horn buttplate. It's priced at $695.
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Whale of a deal. Even if the cones are lengthened, I'd snatch it up.
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Raimey
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