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This gun is a standard 16 Gauge boxlock dating ~1900-1910 due to the cartridge length being stamped in cm (6.5) rather than in mm.
The bottom plate writing traces it to a successor to an offshoot of the V-C family rather than the main V-C concern.
US value would be on the low side e.g. well below $1000.
No real historical value, I am afraid.
The gun was confiscated by the Germans during WWII and reproved in 1941 in Suhl. Then it was probably "liberated" by the Red Army.
This is very common actually.
Best regards,
WC-
P.S> the cast-off amount seems quite large!

May we have additional images of the trademarks/touchmarks on the flats?


Cheers,

Raimey
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Iteresting topic.
But strange to see here with really intersting things this spicks re. leberated .
Please be more politicaly correct , dear Mr.WildCattle.

My $.02: Not sure I see Verney-Carron anywhere but could be wrong. It looks like it might be an "Artisanal Saint-Etienne" gun:

-- Chamber In cm = 1889-1912;



-- Proofed for PT (very faint) = post 1900.



-- The name in an arc on the bottom plate around the trigger guard will be the retailer who ordered it/marketed it.



Please post pictures of the topside and underside of the barrels and barrel flats - there might be a barrel maker's mark there. Also what is the name of the retailer?

Grigoriy: If "liberated" doesn't sound right, just call it a "war trophy.." Actually the fact the Germans took it and reproofed it...then it went to Russia...might have saved it from the fate of so many French guns which were buried...dug up 5 years later and were utterly rusted and pitted.

(And mon cher Gregory: the problem with being "liberated" by the Red Army was that in its wake a totalitarian system was imposed on the beneficiaries courtesy of Josef Stalin, which was...shall we say politely...deleterious to the economic, social, cultural and political health of the countries which were "freed." Not trying to be political - just real.)

once again now to mon amie Argo44 - it is not so easy to you to get an impression about freedom - you look from country get a money during WWII and territory far away from theater of main battles of this war and you had not this problems in centuaries at you territory as we had that moment . As Germans as Russians specially . Were members of your family blocked at Leningrad , were at Nazy concenration camps as we had here ? My impression that you look to us as Big Brother .Just you had improvment and here everithng was wrong .So please keep your spikes take off . Let's talk about guns and it is really issue of this forum .