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The 35mm camera wasn't broke either.

HH, take a look at 'rail guns'.

You convert electricity to a propulsive force each time you actuate a relay. All it takes is a coil and something ferrous. Think automotive starter solenoid. It's as simple a concept as that, just that a practical projectile launcher would use a tad more energy. You are building what amounts to an open frame motor.

Military will get first dibs, but technology that works will hardly be ignored by the market.

Amen to that. I am developing a phobia towards most electric screened devices. Notice that kids nowadays are literally addicted to gawping at screens, tablets, phones, computers. When i was a kid, we read these things called books, an antiquated device, now nearly obsolete.

Especially books about John Rigby!!!!

https://www.johnrigbyandco.com/guns/the-london-best/

There's just something about the lethality of a good bolt action rifle.

Some of the appropriate technology is already out there, in construction nail guns. The Hitachi/Paslode guns use a battery to ignite the gas fuel charge, but most of the big manufacturers (Dewalt, Milwaukee, Ridgid, Ryobi, etc.) are selling cordless nailers in various configurations that actually work on bateries alone. They are heavy and expensive and slower than their pneumatic counterparts, but they work. That technology could be scaled to work in our guns at some point. But I still don't want or need one.

Check out what the Navy is doing with Rail Guns to replace conventional, on ship, guns

Howdy SJ,

Yes, I know a little about rail guns, but I was assuming that we were talking about a shotgun of about 7 pounds that we could carry into the field and shoot either lead or other soft non-tox shot.

I still cannot imagine packing enough energy in a 7# all-electric shotgun to propel a shot charge out to 50 yards with enough force to take down a pheasant.

Now, a rail gun mounted on a Jeep to go out in the pasture and slaughter hogs is an idea that could get my attention. In that instance, weight is not much of a consideration and there is plenty of power in the engine to charge a big battery and supercapacitor.

HHH

Being a relatively new contributor here Mr. Hipshot, you apparently haven't seen all of the off-topic crap posted by guys like Jagermeister, who doesn't even own one lousy double gun.



And yes, this is a little ridiculous. Thank you for bringing it up Mr. Hipshot. The subject of experimental rail guns firing large ultra-high velocity artillery projectiles is fascinating... but it has no more relevance here than frequent discussions of politics in the Canadian Maritime provinces, hockey, or pulp-wood clear-cutting in Nova Scotia. And we are so far away from practical hand-held rail guns that it would be better discussed in Popular Science magazine. However, an endless parade of totally off-topic threads does often open the door to offering other off topic information such as the anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric and dogma of certain contributors and trolls here.

Actually, it's not hard to figure out if the energy need is practically met. It turns out it is, and rather easily.

A one ounce load at 1150 fps has a kinetic energy of approximately 1740 Joules.

A Lithium ion battery has an energy density of 460,000 Joules per Kg. This means a one ounce Li ion battery has in theory enough energy to fire about 8 shots.

In fact a size AA carbon zinc battery has the energy to fire one shot if we could somehow convert the electrical potential to kinetic energy.

The trick of course is to release ALL the energy over a few milliseconds. Can this be done with capacitors and coils?

I believe that it CAN be done, today, using current (pardon the pun) technology.

The switching power supply in your computer handles some large energy potentials and fields just to eliminate the need for a heavy iron transformer. It's not much of a stretch to projectile acceleration.

Someone will do it.

The next guy will hang two together and we will have an electromagnetic doublegun.

keith you should celebrate. How are they going to 'control' electric guns? Round up all the batteries, switches, and capacitors?

If it could be done, today, the military would already be doing it. If you know something they don't, you are wasting precious time here... time that would be better spent developing and patenting your process, and becoming fabulously wealthy.

I guess it could be my actual experience with linear motors (DC, stepper, linear actuators, and AC induction types) that makes me skeptical. Very heavy and very expensive are just the tip of the technological iceberg. The switching power supply in your computer doesn't "handle some large energy potentials and fields". It still uses transformers, and it simply provides an opto-isolated secondary low voltage DC from the typically 110 VAC input. Actually there is quite a large stretch between that and acceleration of a projectile (projectiles) for a shotgun... especially one that won't require a heavy extension cord to power a round of skeet. Wasn't it about 25 years ago that they told us room temperature superconductors were on the horizon? The military isn't even working on Jeep size rail guns yet, let alone shoulder fired versions. It may one day be done, but not with the technology we have now. And it still won't be any more relevant to the subject matter of this particular forum than hockey is.

Your final thought about "control" of the components for future electric guns is thought provoking though. I'd say the control aspect would be doable by using the exact same process being used and developed by the Liberal Left Democrats today. You would simply continue to promote the radical and insane idea that the Constitution is a "Living Document" that must change over time to accommodate the "Will of the Majority". Then you would promulgate a false narrative about the dangers of this new technology, and tell the masses that these aren't the kind of guns the Framers envisioned when they wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights. You would point out similar controls being enacted in other countries that never enjoyed the same kind of Constitutional Rights. Is any of this sounding familiar so far? Then you would simply infringe upon the Civil and Constitutional Rights of the law abiding for "the good of the people"... "if it will only save one life", and pass laws which violate both the 2nd Amendment and the 4th Amendment, and imprison anyone caught with electronic contraband. Of course, you would never stop those with criminal intent and no respect for the law, but you would eventually kill it for the law abiding citizen, and thus make it easier to control him in order to advance Socialism. Of course, in this futuristic world, you would have the progeny of our current crop of anti-gun trolls coming here and promoting the new laws and supporting the anti-electronic gunners... and denying that there is any anti-electronic gun sentiment being expressed here.

Instead of just bashing and lying about the NRA, they would be bashing the National Electric Code (NEC) as well! Thanks for asking!

Nope. 'They' will control it with a user agreement, passwords and proprietary mandatory updates, that comply with all fed state-n-local regs, of course. I wonder what would happen if the little chip buried inside sends off a flag signal that the 'gun' passing through a school zone or stops at a grocery store on the way home from the range.

The big market will be in retrofitting, the packaging size is just about there. The first one will be for the A&D boxlock. Just gut it, swap in the new parts, and cut a window in the off side of the stock for the touch screen, wireless for convenient hook up.