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Charles Daly Hammergun thread to kick-off discussion on Charles Daly, Lindner control stamped & non-Lindner control stamped, examples.

....."Schoverling, Daly, and Gales catalog circa 1885".....

"There are 6 hammerless models listed, two of which can be eliminated (a diamond quality gun and an 8 gauge only model).

A "No.42" hammergun is listed as having a "Scott action, Damascus barrels, scroll fence breech, bar rebounding locks, pistol grip, Deeley & Edge forend, rib extension and rubber butt" - offered in 10 and 12 gauge for $75.

The "No. 53" is listed as similar to a No. 42 except with a "Purdey double underbolt, plain engraving." It retailed for $90 and was offered in 10 and 12 gauge only..

The "No. 55" is listed as the same as a No. 53 with "3 pin locks, ornamental rubber buttplate, scroll engraving." Offered in 10, 12, 16, and 20 gauge it retailed for $100.

The "No. 60" is listed as similar to a "No. 55" with "fine Cluny Damascus barrels, fine engraving and checkering." It was offered in 10 and 12 gauge for $130.

The "No. 100" was a diamond quality gun and retailed for $200. "

Note the 3 pin lock variant.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?p=187282

Excerpt from 1887 S,D&G catalogue:
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=235930&page=15

"Daly hammer guns are offered with the Scott action and Deeley and Edge forend latch. Extension rib and slight engraving on Model 401 for $70.
Model 402 same as 401, but with Purdey double bolt at $80.
Model 403 same as 402 but with 3 pin lock and more engraving at $90.
Model 404 same as 403, but with Cluny Damascus , fine engraving, at $120.
Model 405 , Diamond Quality, with Bernard or Turkish first quality barrels, exquisite engraving at $200."

A few adverts from the same 1870/1871 publication to set the tone for S,D&G's competition.


Jos. C. Grubb & Co. - Purdey variants


John W. Hutchinson


John Krider


John P. Lovell


William Reed & Sons




Schuyler, Hartley & Graham


Joseph Tonks & William R. Schaefer below


William Wurfflein of Philadelphia

vs. Schoverling & Daly who rose to the top:



Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Charles Daly - H.A. Lindner Nr. 1569 w/ Crossed Sidearms surmounted by a Crown being the 1st sighting thus far of the Lindner control mark:






Tubeset knitter had the initials K.S.


Anyone care to hasten a guess that this is a Modell Nr. 55 or Modell Nr. 403???


Use of the Deeley & Edge forend mechanism dates it post then.

And believe you me in the 1870s & 1880s Charles Daly, W. & C. Scott & others offer a boat load of 10 bore hammerguns. I have strong suspicions that the long toplever & forend bump can be attributed to the Triebel klan.

In my notes, I have Charles Daly Nr. 796 as being manufactured in 1872. Anyone confirm that?

Well, a picture is worth a 1000 words as usual w/ the date on the brass escutcheon:



Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Charles Daly Hammergun Nr. 1092 w/ what looks to be an attached forend on a Jones Underlever platform. Anyone know of other Charles Daly hammerguns w/ attached forends?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Raimey, I am a bit lost on the Daly numbers, etc. , but here is what I see here.

Hammerless Guns
#245. 12 ga. Daly Diamond Grade, Deeley and Edge forend, pistols and crown, also H.A.L. 538 or 588 or similar

Hammer Guns
T.Golcher, 12, #2163, Deeley and Edge, pistols and crown
Overbaugh, 12 , #3744, Deeley and Edge, pistols and crown
Daly, 10, very high grade, #893, CKL on receiver flats, Deeley and Edge, no crown or pistols or HAL,
Frank Kuhn, 16 ga., #2726, Deeley and Edge, Pistols and crown

Mr. Hallquist, the Hammerless you note are more than likely the 2nd serialization sequence while the hammerguns are in the 1st set. Have you a Overbaugh 1885 catalgoue? Golcher 1662 is noted as having Lindner's control stamp.


Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Deeley & Edge forend fastner - protection in 1872 Britain & 1873 - U.S. of A.

I'm certain V. Chr. Schilling was in Daly's sourcing modell and it looks like V. Chr. Schilling had a unique bump on the forend.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

So far, all those fit into the serial number sequencing discussed in the previous thread. Here is the basic framework. For review and comment.

1. First series, five digit Scott-sequence serial numbers. No Lindner mark. Mfg early 1870's.

2. Second series, possibly starting with #1, with the first Lindner mark (pistols and crown) observed on Golcher 1662, probably marking when Heinrich took over production and Georg retired. Latest example being Overbaugh 3474. (If mark is crowned, rather than HAL marked) (edit, latest being #3950)

3. Third series, numbers restarted and HAL mark used, post 1892 Proof Law change.

I'm obviously considering the early Scott numbers to be the first set.

Regards
Ken

Raimey, I edited my post to be more clear. All guns are marked Daly, and or, have a Lindner stamp. I do have the Overbaugh catalog and it reeks of Daly sourcing. They were neighbors in NY, too. Must be some reason for the connection of the two. Maybe Overbaugh , who was a fine gunsmith of rifle fame, including Sharps, was a tool of some sort for Daly.

If Daly 796 was made in 1872, should we be considering pushing back the estimate of mfg. year for the earlier guns?

Regards
Ken