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The Democratic Party in the United States is nothing less than a legalized Terrorist/Communist Organization that's embedded itself in our political system.

Why is this "Stop Trump" movement not being looked at as a terrorist organization.....any group trying to undermine our government is a terrorist organization.

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Understood, Stan. My credibility is so rarely questioned here that I assume sincerity and try to respond with calm reason. I was trained to ask questions and believe it reasonable to ask anyone of anything providing it is not mean or mischievous. In my experience, people like to be asked for assistance.

It's interesting to me that some members quickly suggested ignorance or mischief on my part for forgetting the Viking presence---I led underwater exploration for that presence offshore Nova Scotia in the early 50s---and for not looking up sniper details which I should have at hand.

I asked "Isn't that rude?" because I know a fair bit of your reasonable character. I don't play around, either. Two things I was taught for situations of differing opinions and information are never to assume anything or impute motives without serious contemplation.

Let's leave it there. I appreciate your reply. I didn't expect different.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
Thanks for the information, pooch. I just googled Canada's sniper ammunition and it appears that it's made in Canada by General Dynamics.


Please don't use my handle in your fiction. Stan has already told us the bullet used: It was a Hornady A-Max 750 grain VLD round.

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Both Harrison and Furlong took out machine gun shooters. This impresses me and I consider it to be pretty ballsy because in my youth I had to lug around an old 1919 A4 Browning MG. A machine gun is a long range shooter, we would dial it in to 1000 yds, but the rounds could carry farther. A machine gun can be like an artillery piece. If the bad guys were using that Russian MG those snipers were facing a pretty decent gun. A gun fight with an MG at max range usually doesn't go well.

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And he could use a little more support from his own party, you want a special prosecutor for the Russian fairytale, we'll agree to that if you agree to a special prosecutor for Hillary's private server.

The Democrats would have dropped this investigation in a heart beat. But where were these Republicans that will help? Hiding under the bed I suspect leaving President Trump high and dry.

Like they say, with friends like these who needs enemies.

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After being admonished for not looking up the information, I went to the same or similar sources as you and Stan. Quebec plants have been turning out sporting and military ammo for generations. It appears they still do, including sniper .50. Since you're both certain they buy from Hornady, I'll hoist it aboard.

Another thing the American colonel involved in US and Canadian sniper training and Afghanistan action debriefing told me is that one thing separated the Canadian and US snipers: "The Canadians never gave me any bullshit. They didn't claim to be one-shot artists, forgetting their misses."

Which left a big question with me. Did they answer straight-up from an overweening deference to authority? That Patricia's crowd was as wild a group of soldiers I've ever seen. I didn't check Furlong. Maybe he was one of them. Although there should be no separation of prowess from the truth.

(Maybe the question could go the other way: Could the American snipers on this particular occasion have been deferring to authority, wanting to please?)

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A long interesting read about Furlong and the Canadian military

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/we-were-abandoned/

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Originally Posted By: pooch
A machine gun can be like an artillery piece.


That would be "Plunging Fire".


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Originally Posted By: Ken61
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A machine gun can be like an artillery piece.


That would be "Plunging Fire".


Kind of like plunging shotgun fire. You shoot in bursts so that several rounds hit in the targeted area nearly simultaneously. You don't have single round accuracy at long ranges, you have burst accuracy.

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You also knock the sniper off his scope. Fire to suppress is just as effective.

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