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Hello from MT! Am a newbie to these forums and a senior, so be kind. Was trolling a comercial selling site online looking for some antique rifle inlays for a project. Came across what was advertised as a fine English shotgun from the period 1770 to 1830's. Gun was seperated into three pcs. to each be sold individually, with a break on cost if purchasing more than one. Price was fair and gun seemed in much better than average condition with good unbroken wood. Lots of lightly engraved metal, 38 in Damascus London Fine Twist dbb. Maker Wm. Chance of Birmingham. Ad said name or initials carved in stock. Very surprised when it came. Had TENNESSEE stamped on stock right side and initials and , Name J M Ring on other. Didn't make sense to me to see such on a better English Double? Ended up in Civil War Forum. Turned out name belonged to Confederate Calvary Pvt. from Marshall County Tennessee (Marshall's Raiders). Learned that State Stamp ment gun travelled through Arsenal and delivered by wagon back to troops. Anyone out their have an early era piece with a State stamp into stock? Have seen pic online of one from Ohio and one from Maryland . Amazed to learn doubles favored by some calvary for duration of war (buck and ball. When seeing gun advertised with carved stock I almost didn't buy it. Who would do a primative carving on nice wood? While waiting for delivery I contemplated a restoration as they look so nice. Be careful not to be to quick to scrape this history away from civilian looking shotguns from these earlier times! Confederate stuff scarcer then hens teeth, especially tied to man and unit I've been told? A bit of a windfall!
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Hello Flathead Wonderful first posting Please to have that info I used to live in Great Falls, MT and both my children were born there/ Again, Welcome Mike
USAF RET 1971-95
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Hi, Thanks for greetings. Great Falls our favorite pheasant country. Geese still great!
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Welcome, Flathead. Always nice to see a piece of history land with someone who can take care of it. Good piece of research, too.
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Interesting story, Flathead. Welcome to the forum. Thanks for posting that.
These are the kinds of pieces that definitely should not be "restored", IMO. While not in the category of unique provenance as yours, I have a BE grade Fox that has "L B Hart 1919" crudely engraved into the triggerguard bow. I have not been able to find out much about him, but would never remove that bit of history of the gun.
Hope you can take some pics and post them for us soon.
All my best, SRH
May God bless America and those who defend her.
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Welcome Flathead; I live in Tennessee not far from Marshall County. Do you know which cavalry unit Mr Ring was in. One of my G Grandfather's rode with Starnes' 4th TN Volunteer cavalry.
Miller/TN I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
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Hi Thans for your welcome. Their were lots of Rings listed as coming from Marshall County and had formed into Company A, Marshall's Raiders , Baxter Smith's Regiment . Private Ring fought entire war from 1861-65. Forum thread below has pics, the Forum members waded in, showed pictures of other states stamped stocks, and some regiment history. Those men were the real deal. They were there and back. Civil War Talk Forum https://civilwartalk.com/threads/unexpec...0/#post-1547329lots of pics, I;ll try to figure how to post them! https://civilwartalk.com/threads/unexpec...0/#post-1547329
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Flathead, Good save of southern history. This gun could have come from anywhere. Cavalry units, early in the War, were allowed to keep whatever equipment(money also)they captured from the enemy as incentive to join. Some troopers favored shotguns for their particular tactics, as well as six (or more) revolvers; Colt 1860s when they could get them, or most anything operable until they could upgrade to Colt or good copies. Because of misdeeds of some outfits( Bloody Bill Anderson?),the CSA withdrew that policy later on. Mike
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The civil war talk folks forum found other state marked guns and said they were through some sort of arsenal, marked, and returned to units in need in the field. The Seventh Regiment shows all men with shotguns, some issued, some theirs. Very interesting in that value of each gun given $20-$30 values sited. And name of donator. South in a bad hole at beginning. North had industry and men. South put up one hell of a fight. Might see other State names stamped on shotguns, as I said earlier.
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