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lowest number a grade i know of is #1323...
could this be the first one?
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Ed, several much, much lower number guns have been well documented. Examples were clearly photographed in DGJ multiple times over the years. I've owned several A graded much earlier than this one.
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ky: do you recall any specifics? like a number less than 1000?
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Eightbore had an extra set of barrels which were numbered 35. Many of the early guns are still out there. A grades were fairly plain but truth is that a grades are the same as everything else until you get to the h grades and Sterlingworth.
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I owned lucky serial # 13 for years.
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bill: that cool...is #13 an a grade?
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I can report a C Grade, serial 100X
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Yes Ed--it's an A Grade with 30 inch barrels!
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Hal Hamilton owned serial number 2, and maybe still does. Here is a 1991 picture of Hal and Savage Historian Roe Clark holding serial number 2 --  From the very earliest Ansley H. Fox 12-gauge doubles I've handled serial number 8, a B-grade; serial number 29 a C-Grade and serial number 35 a CE "Special" grade. The current working hypothesis is that serial numbers 1 through 3000 were made, or at least started into production, at the original A.H. Fox Gun Co. factory at Wayne & Bristol Streets, in 1905 and 06. After they moved into the Philadelphia Arms Co. factory at North 18th Street and Windrim Avenue at the end of 1906,  they started again at serial number 7000. Two guns have made the rounds with serial numbers in the 6xxx serial number range, but they are both widely considered to be upgraded fakes.
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I have a 20 ga A grade # 240 of that SN set.
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wow...wonder where fox # 2 is now?
and a 20 gauge fox gun with a three digit serial number...wonder if there are any more pre production small bore fox guns out there?
could there be like an unknown 28 gauge or 410 somewhere? what a find that would be...
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wow...wonder where fox # 2 is now?
and a 20 gauge fox gun with a three digit serial number...wonder if there are any more pre production small bore fox guns out there?
could there be like an unknown 28 gauge or 410 somewhere? what a find that would be... A. H. Fox never made either a 28 or .410. CSMC of course did.
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tut: what you say is accepted popular wisdom, until something new comes along that proves otherwise...
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and a 20 gauge fox gun with a three digit serial number.
What Mr. Patton meant was that he has 20-gauge A-Grade serial number 200240. #240 in the graded 20-gauge serial number range that began at 200000. Pretty convoluted way of saying it!!
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oh shucks, thought he had an anomaly...guess der aint no toot ferry needer...
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anyway, wonder where #2 is now...and what about #1?
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Number 2 was probably burned up in an electric furnace as a result of a gun buy-back scheme by the sort of politicians that you support Ed: as for the gun control issue...we are the only country in the world that seems to tolerate mass murder, in the name of an individual right...its about time that we as a society realize that we are over gunned with too many super dangerous weapons in the hands of too many super dangerous people... it is long past time to do as the rest of the civilized world has done and simply, disarm... And here's number 1, just for you Ed: 
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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tut: what you say is accepted popular wisdom, until something new comes along that proves otherwise... Actually that would be called and accepted fact by everyone including historians. I'd say ask your question regarding this on the Fox Collector forum and prepare to receive the incoming.
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well keet, your posting of your image here certainly does explain your often child like behavior here...
and as for the wisdom of our society disarming, lets debate the issue here...your personal attacks only show us your weakness...
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Number 2 was probably burned up in an electric furnace as a result of a gun buy-back scheme by the sort of politicians that you support Ed: as for the gun control issue...we are the only country in the world that seems to tolerate mass murder, in the name of an individual right...its about time that we as a society realize that we are over gunned with too many super dangerous weapons in the hands of too many super dangerous people... it is long past time to do as the rest of the civilized world has done and simply, disarm... And here's number 1, just for you Ed: lets let MR Met show him how you feel....
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We have nothing to debate Ed. It has already been well established that you are an anti-2nd Amendment troll. We just celebrated Memorial Day, in remembrance of good men who died to preserve our freedom and our Constitutional Rights. Then we have spineless little weasels like you who work relentlessly to undermine those freedoms. You have been steadfastly in denial about the Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms, as written in clear language and affirmed by the Supreme Court in the 2008 Heller and McDonald decisions. You have supported the most extreme anti-gun politicians such as Michael Bloomberg and Gov. Cuomo. And you have repeatedly called for bans on certain classes of firearms and the disarming of law abiding citizens: if society, via our law makers, deem it necessary to restrict or prohibit our possession of certain classes of arms, then every good citizen should obey the law for the good of the majority.
and if some here wish to discuss further restriction and prohibition of certain classes of arms here, then why not? some view the current version of a well regulated militia as your local unarmed volunteer fire department...augmented by your local armed town police force.
what used to be militia is now your state's national guard, which is under the command of your state's governor... and your state guard is subject to call up and command of the president of the united states... no, guns do not kill people...people kill people.
cept, too many guns in the hands of too many people do kill too many people...have we the people exceeded our carrying capacity for firepower? i am calling for a common sense discussion of the suggestion that we have too many dangerous weapons in the hands of too many people.
the question i ask, is this:
have we reached the saturation point of being over armed?
as responsible gun owners, we should be able to have that conversation here. but, will the so called pro gun fanatics here allow it? as for the gun control issue...we are the only country in the world that seems to tolerate mass murder, in the name of an individual right...its about time that we as a society realize that we are over gunned with too many super dangerous weapons in the hands of too many super dangerous people... it is long past time to do as the rest of the civilized world has done and simply, disarm... guess no body here has the balls to answer my question:
disarm...seems to work for the rest of the civilized world...
why not us? These are your own words Ed... only a small fraction of the anti-gun rhetoric you have posted here along with a couple other anti-2nd Amendment trolls, such as your pal King Brown. The only thing to debate is why in God's green earth anyone here would wish to supply information or otherwise help a troll like you who wishes to diminish our Constitutional Rights???
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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keet: dat awl you got? you aint nuttin...as day say in da bronx, put up or shut up.
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keet, et al...
after the recent horrific murders in london by maniacs with knives, one must rethink the wisdom of our society disarming...hopefully the same thing will not happen here...if it does, it will most likely occur in a place where the ability to bear a concealed hand gun is severely restricted...
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