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Hello.
Now it's time to make my first post here.
I recently purchased a Ferlach hammer drilling without knowing it's producer. The drilling was made in 1931, and it's chambered for 20/70 and 7x72R. Ammunition is no problem for a long time, I've got a die set and plenty of emtpy cartridges.
The scope, a 4 x Kahles Hubertus, was probably fittet after some time, because the "Vienna snap fitting" is cutting away half of the producers name on top of the barrels. Now it says "OTT Ferlach". From this, I belive the gun is made by Johan Sigott, but I can't make the numbers confirm it. Can any one of you experts tell me if i'm right?

68cm barrels.

Typical engraving. The stock was broken one time in the past. The right hammer has also been replaced.

Combination of dollhead and greener bolt. I have seen this combination on another Sigott combination gun. Either on this forum, or at nitroexpress. The diopter misses the insert. I will make a replacement part, but do anyone know what the proper diameter of the peek hole should be?

Waterboard:568.31 Barrel:300.31.150.60.

I have got some different reloadingdata for this cartridge, but I'm not sure what powder I should go for. I can choose between Norma 201, Norma 202, and Norma 204. The 201 and 202 is in combination with a 120 or 140 graqin bullet, while 204 is with the 160grains bullet.
I will be using this gun for hunting roe deers, typical up to 70m range. I will test shoot with 140 grains bullet. The gun is quite old, and I would like to avoid a unnecessary high preassure peak. So the question is what powder would you recomend me to go for?

In my notes Johann Sigott is first mentioned in 1898 and his last prewar gun is from the middle 1920s.
He or his son is on the 1945 list of Ferlach gunmakers and last Johann Sigott gun is dated 1962.
Another Sigott was Thomas, active circa 1910.
My notes are incomplete of course.
If proofed in Ferlach in 1931 your gun should have the single headed republican eagle with hammer and sickle.
Are the barrels marked JS by any chance?
Your gun seemingly experienced German reproof in January 1998, likely when the chambers were lenghtened to 70mm.

With kind regards,
Jani

That's interesting! I have not heard of Thomas Sigott before.
What stamp is it who make you think it's reproofed in 98? I found the Munich proof mark toghether with the Nitro proof mark. (eagle with N) Similar to the middle and the left mark at the attached picture. The number next to the munich proof mark is 361. Each barrel has also a "similar eagle" with a M.

I made a mistake; the year of the German post-war proof is not 1998. Rather, after enlarging and turning the photo, the number seems to be 36, maybe badly struck 86 - 1986? In any case the post war markings are clearly German proofs, done in Munich (since 1968?): German federal eagle, Munich shield, number 86(?), maybe also 1. These marks are above the barrel lug. The federal eagle is struck elsewhere also, such as near the 20/70 marking for the lenghtened chamber.
BTW there were other Sigotts too, but in a different time frame (18th & 19th cent.).
Jani

Ok. This make sense. The number is 361. I was told that it was a forester from Bayern who ordered the drilling. I'm told he had it/used it until 1938. It's a pure speculation, but would the fitting of the scope demand a reproof?
If so, that could be the cause of the stamps. From what I have read, the Vienna snap lock fitting of the scope, is not used after the war.

I cant find a stamp of the single headed republican eagle with hammer and sickle, but I have the "EF" (First proof mark?) and the NPF mark. Both are assosiated to Ferlach as far as I understand.

Skrotnissen,
Mounting a scope wouldn't require a reproof, but rechambering would. Since it has 2 3/4" chambers, it has been rechambered.
Mike

Number 361 would indicate German proof (reproof) done in March, 1961.
Yes, EF and NPF are both Ferlach marks.
Jani

Ok. I just wondered, since the scope mounts almost cut the top rib in half. :-)

1st pass saw it as #300 in 1931 being 15.0mm on the scattergun tubes & 6.0mm on the solid projectile tube.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Moose Snoot( �lgmule )of Sweden gives that:

"Firma Johann Sigott, Feinb�chsenmacher und Jagdgewehrerzeugung in Unterferlach, K�rnten", p advertizes in early February of 1897.

He lost a daughter (suicide) in May 1921.

From November 1926: " Die bekannte Gewehrlieferant Johann Sigott in Ferlach (K�rnten) hat eingezeigt, da� ein gleichnamiger, 27 Jahre alter Sohn, der mehrmals wegen Diebstahls und Betruges vorbestrafst ist, sich in Tirol, besonders in Innsbruck, herumtreibt, zweifellos in betr�gerischer Absicht, um bei Gesch�fstleuten, die sich brieflich an den Vater Johann Sigott wandten, liegen diesbez�gliche Briefe vor. Es ist als sicher anzunehmen, da� Sigott junior noch zahlreiche weitere Betr�gereien ver�bt hat oder noch ver�ben wird. Deshalb wird vor ihm gewarnt. Gesch�digte m�gen sich bei der Kriminalabteilung Innsbruck melden."

Johann Sigott was the "Erfinder der Drall-Rifled-Bohrung" (occasionally as "Sigott-Rifled-Bohrung" or Sigott-Drall-Rifled-Bohrung").(I believe we have a thread on that & I'll ferret it out.)

One advert for Johann Sigott claimed to have been "Lieferant des hohen Adels �sterreich-Ungarns". Johann Sigott did don a moustache.

Not sure if Sigott = Sigoth but the following are some 1st discovery dates:
Sigoth, Valentin (from 1883)
Sigoth, Gottfried (from 1890)

During the years of 1933-34-35 and 36, the Sigott business turns up in B�chsenmacher Emanuel Swancar ads as "Niederlage der Pr�zisions-Gewehrfabrik/Niederlage der Gewehrfabrik/Wiener Niederlage der Gewehrfabrik". It would seem that Swancar was the outlet in Vienna for Sigott wares.

In, early November, 1937 the business is listed under "Empfehlenswerte Firmen" as "Johann Sigott, Gewehrfabrik, Ferlach, K�rnten." with that being the last entry discovered thus far on Johann Sigott.



Cheers,

Raimey
rse