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Note the patent date 1893 on this old 303 Savage. The stories it might tell, as they say. http://www.gunbroker.com/item/643816836

This is not my rifle and I am not trying to sell it to anyone.

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Wish I could see the top of the breechbolt, as I think the seller is clueless on the model Savage he has! I can see it's a very early gun with that patent date, and it's also got the squared opening in the receiver for the rear of the breechbolt to seat into. My money is on it being a model 1895, and not a model 1899.
Guessing when savvy Savage collectors see this auction, and realize it's a model 1895 the bidding will go crazy, as an 1895 is much more desirable than an 1899.

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There is some contradictory information in the listing - it says the S/N is 657**. If that is correct it would be an 1899, 1895 S/N's are less than 7000. But I have an 1899 with S/N 31*** that ends with an 1899 patent date, where my 1895 ends with an 1893 date. So maybe the S/N is just 657*, making it an 1895. The forearm looks like an 1895, but the stock pads look more like an 1899. The only way to know for sure would be the cocking indicator on top of the breechbolt, but I agree I think it is an 1895. If it is an 1895, it was a steal at the price. For an 1899, probably worth what they paid.

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What "stock pads" are you referring to WR?

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That the gun is advertised as a .300 Savage when the barrel is clearly marked as being a .303 leads one to believe this is not a seller familiar with the vagaries of Savage lever actioned rifles.

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I found the 4 notches of some interest. They may have been deer etc. Then the rifle is from the era Tom Horn was working his craft with his 1894 30WCF.

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Vall,

"stock pads" is Savage collector lingo for the flat places on both sides of the butt stock behind the receiver. On most 1899's, they are pointed like the one in the auction, and short. The 1895's are longer and rounded at the ends. A few 1899 carbines don't have any pads, just a rounded profile from the receiver into the wrist.

David Royal from Pinedale, WYO just put out a new Savage 99 book for collectors. It is a nice book, covers a lot of models.

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Thanks Wind River!
As for the new book, I've already heard feedback from advanced Savage collectors of some errors in the new book. Some were pointed out to him during editing, but he didn't want to be bothered by corrections.

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I also picked up on the .303 Savage barrel. Clearly the seller was uninformed, plus sloppy. What is the value of the rear sight? $120?

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Rear sight goes for somewhere in that range.

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I owned a takedown 99 for several years chambered in .30-30. it came from Alaska, and was in good + condition, except for the bore which was pitted. Never could get that thing to shoot worth a darn. Was told that chambering wasn't commonly seen, but I never researched it. Was missing the rear barrel sight, which I bought from Gary Fellers in TX.

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.30-30 99s are actually quite common, but not so common in takedowns. Even those aren't exactly rare.

Apparently the extra 20 grains of bullet weight in the .303 Savage didn't make up for the ease of purchasing .30-30 ctgs, which could at one time be found in every general store, except perhaps in Manhattan.

Savage had a better rifle, IMO, but Winchester had better marketing and brand recognition.

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Originally Posted By: Mike A.


Savage had a better rifle, IMO, but Winchester had better marketing and brand recognition.


Not to mention about 20-25% cheaper for a Winchester! I think that was the real reason Winchester outsold everyone. Just like today, most people bought the cheapest priced guns new!

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I own three Model 99's, all in Savage calibers: .22 High Power, .250-3000, and .300 Savage. To my surprise, the .22 High Power proved to be the most emphatic. The deer I took with it never moved from their tracks.

The Model 99 was a great favorite of Townsend Whelen's. He regarded it as the strongest lever action, and the only one suitable for modern, high intensity cartridges.

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I have an 1899 Model in C grade. (Oct/Rd bbl). Orig tang and fold down bbl sights. It's in 30-30.
While no collector condition piece w/it's brown rec'vr finish, it sat unwanted for quite a while on dealers gun rack till I finally bought it at a mark down price of 500.
I asked him why no takers on it. He said lots of interest till they saw the caliber,,then they all immediately sat it right back in the rack.
Maybe it was too old for the gun crowd these days in an ancient caliber that is sure to bounce off a deer at even close range.
But at a price lower than most used 99's from the 60's and 70's are going for, and those beautiful iron sights,,I had to have it.

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Just browsing the asking price for the various kinds of Model 99's and I ran into this, which has to be the ultimate: http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-fo...un_id=100837575

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As a lover of classic and antique sporting arms, 1903 Springfields and 1899 Savages top my list for early 1900's arms. Thus I joined this forum for 1903 stuff. But for Savages check out 24hourcampfire.com and go to the Savage forum link. Very good group of guys over there, very active and knowledgeable, and helpful too. My name over there is Northwest Hunter, since someone was already using Wind River. Damn.

Ealier someone mentioned that David Royal's book had errors. That is might be true, as researching anything 100 years ago is likely to encounter contradictions in sources at the minimum. But the book is great, full color, very thorough and well presented. He was planning on writing another book solely about engraved examples such as the one xausa pointed out, but is having issues with his publisher. Anyhow I liked the book, glad to see someone giving this oft overlooked rifle some coverage.

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When it comes to early 20th century American rifles, please let it be a 1903, Krag, or Savage lever gun.

I built this one two years ago, sort of a M1899 concept gun, .22 HiPower, takedown. It has since then been checkered.



I started out with this:



Current project (in line behind a Krag sporter) is a 1915-vintage Model .250-3000 which came to me in the form of a nice action, beautiful fore end, and thoroughly trashed butt stock. No barrel. If I don't find a .25-3000 barrel soon it shall transmogrify into a .303 Savage takedown, with perch belly pistol grip stock.

A man who doesn't appreciate Savage M1899's is probably someone I wouldn't drink more than one or two beers with!

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You wouldn't be drinking with me...

I'll try to post picks of the other G&H 99, I sold last year, Fugger engraved.
For a whole lot less money!
I've got to admit the engraving of that one is outstanding!

...And I'm homing in on finishing a very long-term Krag sporter sometime in the next year or so. The client has run out of $ a couple of times...

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I have this in my files under Fugger Egraved...



and this in my safe...1942 99RS w/G&H mount,





this too, 1955 99F, in better condition than I...





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My old 1899 may have looked like the gun at auction at one time. It is much more elegant now:
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/650540172

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