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No I actually did not see the thread where King said you lied, however I have heard about repeatedly and have little doubt he called you one. If I am wrong I have little doubt he will chime in as he does not need me to defend him

I have never encouraged your style of attack(actually the point of my posts) and I don't suggest anyone else do the same as you whether it be King or whoever in response to your provocations.

Unfortunately not all can avoid being provoked by you.

My points are about how people should conduct themselves on this board.

I encourage them, as I do you, to act civilly and not lower themselves to the level you often go.

You are like some Middlebury student in your arguments finding permanent offense and never forgetting a slight, real or perceived. It seems you must shout down anyone you dislike.

Can you not get over being angry on this board all the time, rehashing old wounds?

Will you and Ed or whoever forever bark over the fence at each other in an eternal internet hell inflicting it upon all of us?

I am man enough to let bygones be bygones are not you?

"i am man enough to let bygones be bygones are not you?"

let us have peace in our doublegun discussion forum...

Ed, I note the course I propose is only of value if posters do not bait or antagonize each other. Further that you work hard to not to take offense.

Ain't he a hoot, oc. I for one wouldn't be too bothered if you changed your mind and let him have both barrels. Probably most things off topic should be taken for the chuckle.

Note Gladys, I mean old colonel, that I did not say that you actually saw the particular thread where King repeatedly accused me of being a liar. But it seems unlikely that you truly missed that exchange, and only "heard" about it since it was in one of the most widely read threads that was ever posted in either Misfires, or the main Double Gun Forum. It was in the "Is King Brown An Anti-Gunner?" thread, and in addition to the original exchange which occurred there, I have re-posted direct unedited QUOTES of his dishonest accusations here several other times when I was illustrating and confronting his serial dishonesty. Of course, I also re-posted direct unedited QUOTES from King which proved exactly what he was denying, as he repeatedly accused me of being a liar.

For some odd reason, I simply do not believe your story. I dunno, it could be your hypocrisy or it could be your selective disapproval and selective calls for civility... but I don't believe you... not a bit.

I have read your points about how you wish for me to conduct myself here. Often they are nearly unintelligible, but I usually manage to decipher what you are disjointedly attempting to say. I have informed you that I have absolutely no intention of acting like you, for the reasons I have repeated several times. But I will be happy to use your off-topic non-double gun hypocrite threads as a convenient place to re-post any and all obvious lies, falsehoods, fairy tales, and anti-gun rhetoric previously aired by guys like King, Ed, Jagermeister, etc.

What follows in my next post is a copy of a post I made on 8/8/15 where I was confronting King Brown's accusations that I was a liar. This is where he was attempting to say that the gun he illegally transported in his airplane was a Savage model 24. The lies, and B.S., and false accusations made by King really piled up here, but you were quiet as a church mouse Gladys.

Spare me your disingenuous excuses and hypocritical pleas for your silly ideas of decorum.

The following is a re-play of my post #414593 I made on 8/8/2015 in response to King Brown's repeated assertions that I was lying about his illegal transport of a handgun across the US-Canadian Border. I'd like to thank Gladys Kravitz, I mean old colonel, for the opportunity to illustrate the kind of dishonesty that often passes for civility around here.



That's not what you told us here King in your post # 360486 on 3/10/14:



Do you remember what Canvasback had to say about your illegal transport of handguns in Canada... and apparently even across the border?



I wouldn't blame Jim or anyone if they reported you to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police just as you reported Jim to Dave Weber for voicing his opinion about the anti-gunner George Soros. You know... to protect the integrity of Canadian airspace.

It would appear that King Brown is once again telling lies to cover up previous lies. And he is attempting to deflect his inherent dishonesty by transferring it to me.

originally posted on 8/8/2015

I did not think there was much hope of you getting over your anger.

Maybe you grew up living by the feud, who knows, as noone knows for sure where you bravely post from or who you are, save maybe the Phantom.

A thread from two & three years ago and you have not gotten over it?

As for reading it in misfires, sorry, did not go there very often in March of 15 as I occasionally had time to read and post at all. That said, you must have had a great presence there. Either way it does not matter as while you want to relive old net fights and hold onto old anger the rest of us would just as soon you let it go and stick to today's subjects at hand.

You certainly stay hot; given you ire the uninitiated to this page would think the wound from last week, or maybe a month.

You seem to say once offended always offended?

Can't you move forward? You seem to say no, and you will go on. I accept that is your position and you will continue to attack, name call, and divert

I am sorry I frustrate you, you frustrate a good many too. It is a free speech website and I wish you well.

I will continue to point out your diversions and name calling.

Bless You and enjoy.

Michael

It looks as though we've reached a stalemate Gladys, I mean old colonel. You can't understand why I can't let go of past behaviors that came from King or Ed, etc., and in the same breath, you inform me that you refuse to let go of my behavior because you disapprove of it.

You obviously are kind of dumb. I don't imagine that you see any sort of hypocrisy in what you have said. Hypocrites never do.

But in case you missed it, I have repeatedly stated that I made the decision to keep King's incessant dishonesty and anti-gun rhetoric front and center, rather than permitting him to dance away from it when things got a bit too warm for him, as happened so frequently in the past.

You see, a lot of people like you had extremely short memories, and they were easily diverted and fooled by King's fake civility. Even more of them were impressed by the fictional internet persona he projected here. It wasn't easy for some to see King's fictional Camelot come crashing down. A number of grown men were, and still are, crushed and angry to hear the news that someone they admired and idolized was little more than a bloviator who used his fake persona as a tool to advance liberalism, socialism, and his anti-2nd Amendment agenda. I wouldn't be surprised if you are one of them.

For others, such as Last Dollar, it was more than just short term memory that motivated them to always rise up to defend King. It became obvious that a lot of them shared the same mindset and Liberal left beliefs. One could always count on the same Lefties to rise up to defend King's anti-gun rhetoric by always using the same old fake civility ruse. They pretended to be Conservative and pro-2nd Amendment, but over time, you could see it was always the same few guys who got their panties in a wad any time a pro-gun rights topic would get posted.

Like you they would whine and cry... piss and moan... stomp their feet and act hurt because the purity of this special place had become tainted by a non-double gun thread. Yet at the same time, you could see that they themselves initiated or participated in dozens of totally non-double gun threads.

I continue to believe that you are no different. You have a million lame excuses for why you aren't at all offended by dishonest and Trolling behavior that comes from Ed or King. Oh, you say you are, but as I pointed out several times now, you haven't started any threads to point out their behavior, or began a self-righteous crusade to modify or change their behavior.

You operate under the same guise of fake civility, but I must admit that you play the part better than some of the other fakes like Last Dollar or King, who preached civility, but then engaged in their own brand of name calling and dishonesty. But it is your selective outrage that betrays your hidden agenda. It is apparent which bait you reliably rise to attack, and which you choose to ignore.

You deftly danced away from my questions about why you said absolutely nothing about the Trolling by Ed and King that led up to the eventual demise of the Second Amendment Informational Thread that had a place of honor at the very top of the Thread Topics for the main double gun forum. They violated the ground rules. They both engaged in disruptive thread diversions. And you were silent. And now you expect us to believe that you rarely visited Misfires, and are ignorant of what was posted there, when I know for a fact that isn't quite true. Others may forget that you posted there, but I haven't. While I have no desire to see Misfires re-opened, the locking of Misfires has allowed a number of folks to disavow what they said or did there. When I have some time, I'll replay a few of your Misfires posts to remind you that you aren't being totally honest with us here. It will be something like having King hawker a big green loogie down your throat as he did to his dog!

Of course, you are less likely than most to understand or accept this because you are rather dim-witted. I don't expect you to accept it either, because I have recognized that you obviously have your own agenda. Canvasback pointed out to you several days ago that the attacks on our gun rights by the Left are relentless. He also pointed out the behavior of the FUDDS we have who do nothing to help the cause of gun rights, and may actually hurt the cause by providing aid and comfort to the opposition and enemy. We can see that you just bristle at the thought of keeping the anti-gun words of King or Ed front and center where they can't hide or run away from them anymore. In the end, your promise to continue your attacks on me will backfire in your face, because they will only give me a platform to keep their anti-gun rhetoric alive rather than allowing them to sweep it under the carpet.

You can deny and defend, but we see where you're really coming from. I do not believe you are being at all honest about your motivations here. I base my opinions of you solely and completely upon your actions here. By the way, did you know that Miss Manners has her own website? Knock yourself out! http://www.missmanners.com/ask-miss-manners/

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As another poster recently stated "A modicum of common decency is what all of us should strive for, this includes both of us".

Keith there in no hypocrisy in desiring you to stop diverting threads in current time.

You appear to believe because I have not worked hard at every other diversion I am flawed. That may be right in infinitesimally small way, but it is truly because I got tired of the volume, nastiness, and mean spiritedness of many of your diversions that attracted my attention to you.

You may think me a hypocrite, I think myself tired of your unending vitriolic stream and the way it turns good threads to trash.

You practice childish name calling and proclaim clearly you hold grudges you can�t escape. I understand that you cannot overcome your anger and hate. I do not understand why a mature adult cannot practice a more grown up approach, but you may be teaching me.

Your reposting of old threads are about the only anti-gun stuff we see from any of these guys lately. As they do not appear to be creating any new anti-gun threads recently. You are just rehashing old arguments and fights. If someone posts a new anti-gun thread then go after it intelligently showing how they are wrong. This is a mature position with the actual use of reason.

Should someone here post in support of socialism or Fidel Castro or whatever, that is the time to demonstrate their position is erroneous and flawed. Forever rehashing it in unrelated threads would be diverting and tiresome.

Your argument against civility is shortsighted and quite ridiculous; further it requires us to forever hold grudges. It demands permanent antagonism and nastiness.

I do not believe there is a probability that liberal infiltration of our board will turn even a minute number of us in to gun haters or lower our awareness of the liberal agenda when we vote. I think I can read King or whoever without fear of infection.

Your negativity is the drag here. Only the uncivil are challenged by requests for good manners. You make some very good quality post on double-guns and have good base of knowledge to share. You do not need to be uncivil to be understood.

Yes I try to operate civilly. I encourage you to do likewise. Even if we want to take a baseball bat to someone it is possible to grin and write clearly, gently, and politely in reply. I make no claim I have been prefect in my posts. I slip at times with my content (especially in grammar and spelling as you have noted).

I wish you well, and thank you for the Miss Manners website shortcut, I wish you too would go there and learn.

Seeing as you started this totally off topic and attack thread, it is heartening to see how politely (as you requested) that Keith showed you to be provocative, dismissive, and intellectually..um..well.....
I believe that is in fact the definition of an internet troll, is it not?
Since he uses their own words, I can understand the discomfort some posters have with Keith's resurrecting of their faux passes.
I rather enjoy the squirming, dancing and avoidance practiced by those posters, and I notice, yourself.
Mr Brown's absence was welcomed by me, wondering if he had taken my suggestion to meet with Mr Cohen. Oh well, good things do sometimes end.
All the best.