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Originally Posted By: Wonko the Sane
....with the random nature of shotgun shot swarms and a total lack of some methodology to present a cogent and consistent representation of the event in action I will be forced to retain my opinion that holes do not exist from the perspective of the target in a dynamic situation....

....I'm talking real life not some fantasy.

Only curious, and not trying to be argumentative. What would lead to the conclusion that there would be no holes, rather than more or even the same number of, holes in a dynamic situation that I'll take to mean a moving and changing shot string and a moving target?

It would seem that dynamic and infinite combinations might allow at least one target to slip through an apparent shot pattern sweet spot.

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It's quite simple craigd.

It never seems to happen to those who shoot after shoot, year after year, are at the top of the leader board.

The one pellet break requirement for a perfect score is simply an attempt to explain a flawed analysis.

I can't state it any plainer, it's simply flat out incorrect.

Before I get more of the 'that's just your opinion' garbage from true believers remember this is the very nature of internet discussion boards.

I, for one, am not about to call Kim Rhode and tell her the whole game is a statistical farce.


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Originally Posted By: Shotgunjones
It's quite simple craigd.

It never seems to happen to those who shoot after shoot, year after year, are at the top of the leader board.

The one pellet break requirement for a perfect score is simply an attempt to explain a flawed analysis.

I can't state it any plainer, it's simply flat out incorrect.

Before I get more of the 'that's just your opinion' garbage from true believers remember this is the very nature of internet discussion boards.

I, for one, am not about to call Kim Rhode and tell her the whole game is a statistical farce.


On the other hand . . . for those of us who are mere mortals, it's quite possible--perhaps even probable--that at least one single pellet break would show up in a 25 straight at trap or skeet. We're simply not good enough to center the target with every shot. Which means we may sometimes luck into a 25 straight, thanks to what could have been a miss but ended up a single pellet break. Or, unluckily, ended up with a 24 because we had a single pellet hit that did not result in a broken target.

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That's absolutely true, Larry.

I'll take Kim in the Calcutta, and not me or you.


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The whole concept of thinking about one pellet breaks, and telling yourself that the only reason you shot a straight was because you got a couple of them, is counterproductive to good shooting. Self confidence is critical to shooting your best, and once you start thinking you have missed the bird with your whole pattern except for one pellet that hit it, your self confidence is on a downhill run.

I shot a 96/100 yesterday afternoon on a round of sporting, shooting two .020" barrels. There is no way I am going to tell myself I must have had several one pellet breaks to do that. There were no "iffy" breaks anyway, where a chip or two came off. The four birds I missed, I knew I wasn't right when I pulled the trigger. It wasn't because of a hole in the pattern, it was because I didn't put it where it was supposed to be. The rest of them were hard breaks.

Y'all keep on believing you're getting a good score because you got several one pellet breaks if you want to. I'll keep on believing I can smoke every target on the course the next time I get to shoot. I know how important confidence is.

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Originally Posted By: craigd
Originally Posted By: Wonko the Sane
....with the random nature of shotgun shot swarms and a total lack of some methodology to present a cogent and consistent representation of the event in action I will be forced to retain my opinion that holes do not exist from the perspective of the target in a dynamic situation....

....I'm talking real life not some fantasy.

Only curious, and not trying to be argumentative. What would lead to the conclusion that there would be no holes, rather than more or even the same number of, holes in a dynamic situation that I'll take to mean a moving and changing shot string and a moving target?

It would seem that dynamic and infinite combinations might allow at least one target to slip through an apparent shot pattern sweet spot.


It's really very simple. The swarm and the target are not on the same path parallel or otherwise. The target does not see the "holes".
The hole that the targets flies in unbroken is the infinite one that surrounds the swarm exterior to it.


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