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to narrow the list by a view into Springer's archive:
The Lubomirski aristo-clan has been Springer's biggest customer,
there are 9 different prenames, but NONE starting with P.
The Liechtenstein aristos (Afro hunters from Sternberk/Moravia!)
have been as well big customers, 7 different prenames
but NONE with P.
Felix Neuberger

Felix:

Thank you for the eliminations. But I am not familiar with Springer's archive. What is this?

Thanks,

GG

My second look, I'd have to say TL instead of PL.
Not an awful lot of difference in the loops in the right vs left side of the top bar of the left letter for a P,
Just enough to allow intertwine of the L stem. Then the L skip loops at the bottom to be able to intertwine with the T and cover area w/o taking one large bold sweeping loop instead to do it.

No middle flag on the T for it to be an F,, unless I'm not seeing that too!,,just the same fancy leaf accent cut on both verticle stems of the letters.

That's tonite's verdict and only one drink in.

I would disagree, because the upper part of th left "P" is absolut symetric and both ends down. If you look at some examples of cursiv letters, you will see, that this is never the case with a "T". Mostly the right upper part of a "T" is not going down.

Cheers,
Gunwolf

Felix, would you be able to check, if there is a member of the Schlik family in the archives, especially of course Franz Valentin Graf Schlik, the husband of Paula...?

Thanks,
Gunwolf

Artistic license in play I believe. Fitting 2 letters into an oval shape and wanting the result to look balanced.
The text book of lettering styles goes under the bench pretty much. They turn into pieces of art themselves.
You twist and turn them as you please to make them fit and still retain grace and flow. The strict script L doesn't have a double skip loop at the bottom either but they put one there to balance, connect and fill the space.
I'll still go w/the T but as with many of these it can be difficult to deciper. You may be right though.

To Gunwolf:
No Schlik-entry found.
to Grouse Guy:
Springer and Kalezky were the leading Austrian gunmakers
from the late 18xx to WW II.
Springers archive/customer record is a "Who is who" of
Central/East European aristo-clan/grand-bourgoisie.
I thought 2 Mannlicher would be just another item
within the household listings of their estates.
But nothing found which could be a answer.
(Kalezky's record do not exist)
Sorry
Felix Neuberger