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Ah yes, the joys of English spelling....!Que barbaridad! Add the facts that some of our German ancestors were illiterate when they got here and their names were transliterated into an English that was spelled differently (but often more phonetically) than it is now, and you got a mess.

My Palatine German forebears were named Koete, with an umlaut over the "o". They ended up "Cady," (a perfectly good IRISH surname)!

TR was right about spelling reform, as in so many things.

(Sorry for the OT rant, but as a former teacher of English as a second language, this post, which is otherwise fascinating, set me off.).

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Originally Posted By: Steven Norton
I should add, I have no idea how to spell his name correctly. Half the stuff out there spells it Neidner, the other spells it Niedner.

The FBI report is Neidner, and I've seen rifles even with it spelled both ways. So I don't know exactly for sure how it's spelled. smile


He spelled it Niedner

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I'm big on Irish names, being a shanty Irish Mick meself on the maternal side of da family tree. Cady- not a County in Erin, like Cork- but yes indeed, Mick indeed. But beside my love of classical music, I also love Mississippi Deep Delta Blues and all its derivations. "She caught the Cady, and left me a ticket to ride"-- have it on my Jake and Elwood Blues Brother CD- Beluski on vocals, Danny Akroyd on the harp- "smokin!!


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Originally Posted By: Run With The Fox
I'm big on Irish names, being a shanty Irish Mick meself on the maternal side of da family tree. Cady- not a County in Erin, like Cork- but yes indeed, Mick indeed. But beside my love of classical music, I also love Mississippi Deep Delta Blues and all its derivations. "She caught the Cady, and left me a ticket to ride"-- have it on my Jake and Elwood Blues Brother CD- Beluski on vocals, Danny Akroyd on the harp- "smokin!!


That would be "She caught the Katy ...". "The Katy" was the nickname for the M-K-T Railroad, the Missouri-Kansas-Texas Railroad, which formerly ran from St. Louis to Texas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri%E2%80%93Kansas%E2%80%93Texas_Railroad

But you have great taste in music.


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You are in uncharted territory, but I suspect Jim Tarleton knows the answer to this one. He is the most knowledgeable expert on Marine WWI A5 lore that I know of.

The answer is very simple. Niedner (note correct spelling) bases used on early commercial rifles often had wings. It varies as to time frame. When it came to military rifles, Niedner went wingless to avoid obscuring the serial number of the rifle, which irritated the military.

Good luck in your search.

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The simple explanation is, again, the right one.


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RWTF,

I was a rather senior 1st/LT in 1965 in Okinawa when I participated in my first division match as captain of the Hq Battalion Rifle Team. We finished second (thanks to a saved round), but I did well enough to be picked up for the Far Eastern Division Matches, where I won my first "Leg" on Distinguished. Unfortunately, Far East participation in the Marine Corps, Inter-Service and National Matches was cancelled that year and we all went to the big shooting match in Vietnam instead. Incidentally, Dave Willis was also a 1st/LT on that team, as was George Van Orden. https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2016/10/2...orge-van-orden/

I was on the All Reserve Team for a while after leaving active duty as a captain, but didn't make Distinguished until later, as captain of the Tennessee State High Power Team.

I still have a couple of rifles built by the MTU at Quantico, an M1 .308 conversion and a Model 70 with a laminated Dunlap stock, also in .308.

When the CMP introduced the Springfield Match, I used to fire it with a Springfield fitted with Marine Corps front and rear sights, using a P.J. O'Hare Micrometer Sight Adjuster marked "USMC".

Age and disability have ended my match shooting career, but I still cherish the memories and the support we got from MTU. Many thanks!

The USMCR Team at Camp Perry in 1969. I'm third from the left on the front row, with the glasses. Major Ken Erdman, for whom the Erdman Trophy is named, is third from the right on the rear row.


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Very cool photo. The armory looks the same today, but I think the pine tree is gone. Do you recall a James Laughland from your shooting days?

John

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(I'm pretty sure that's a Spruce tree ;>)

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Originally Posted By: gasgunner
Very cool photo. The armory looks the same today, but I think the pine tree is gone. Do you recall a James Laughland from your shooting days?

John


Sorry, the name doesn't ring a bell, but you have to remember that I'm 78 years old. The other day I locked myself out of my gun room because I couldn't remember the combination on the Mosler door. Luckily I had a copy of it in my safe deposit box. This is a combination I have been using for almost 40 years now. I can remember my Marine Corps enlisted serial number and my officer's serial number, however. 18798XX and O805XX.

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