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did Grouse guy ever "come out" and admit his Greenpeace connection ?

Thankfully Trump has frozen all regulations and directives ,this like other federal directive's will be removed-lead of course is part of the environment,no harm was ever proven from hunting use, just more rants from evironanazi's who days of any impact are numbered-new sheriff in town for the next 4-8 years.

Build the damn wall,finish the pipeline and keep shooting lead (in those doubles).

Experience, ulterior motives and bias? Doesn't that seem like an unseemly view of other opinions? I can actually understand what you say, though I wonder if the NS fishing community should be using lead weight on their lines and nets. Whew, did that come out of left field?

Serious questions. If game is due prudence and respect, why does that end at a private property line? Shouldn't sensible and reasonable apply to everyone everywhere?

Using snips of Larry's opinion, you questioned whether they represented a tactic: a skilful device calculated to gain some end/advantage.

Larry's contributions here make the forum an important port of call for me. Like all of us , he expressed an opinion. That's all there is, take or leave it. .

Where I live, prudence and respect doesn't end at property lines. You have as much right to trespass, picnic, explore flora and fauna, hunt on my property as I do, who pays the taxes.

That's why the Old Country immigrants came to these lands: freedom.

You seem to paint me in an unseemly way when it comes to Larry's contributions. If it seems like I snipped his opinion, sure I did to get to what seems like the point. I wouldn't mind at all quoting the entire comment, but it would seem unnecessary.

I believe you were in on the marathon notox shot thread, and in the end we're all left to either take it or leave it. What I took out of it, was that if someone 'seems' to be able to connect dots, then those dots may end up published, and referenced as truth. Does that seem fair? Never mind.

Okay, now you really gone and done it. I'm gonna come up there, feel like a subsistence hunter, and slaughter ducks in your backyard. And fair warning, the property line doesn't blur at the front door. I'm claiming rights to the couch, a corner of the frig, and time on the throne. Freedom!

Indeed, the horse is LONG dead when it comes to shooting lead at waterfowl. Or, for that matter, anywhere waterfowl are likely to congregate. No use fighting a war that we lost long ago. Doves . . . you get the same conditions of heavily concentrated shot fall that you can get when hunting waterfowl . . . but seldom get when hunting other upland birds. That's the basic difference, and it's why we're still able to shoot lead at upland birds in most places. And why I will continue to advocate for lead shot for upland birds . . . unless someone can show me some science I've yet to see, indicating that widely scattered shot fall poses much danger to either upland birds or any other critters.

We wound ducks that die later with steel more so then we did with lead. More so, I think, then ducks damaged by lead consumption. Most of our shot falls at a distance in to the deep portion of the water. The dabber ducks aren't going to ingest it. Divers possibly but the shot is very wide spread by that time. Also if there is so much shooting that the mud is contaminated. The ducks are going to avoid that area.

from the NSSF
"This directive is irresponsible and driven not out of sound science but unchecked politics,� said Lawrence Keane, National Shooting Sports Foundation senior vice president and general counsel, in a statement. �This directive was published without dialogue with industry, sportsmen and conservationists. The next director should immediately rescind this, and instead create policy based upon scientific evidence of population impacts with regard to the use of traditional ammunition.�

In the past, the NSSF has argued the economic impact of California�s ban on the use of traditional lead ammunition in hunting could triple ammo prices and force hunters out of the sport in that state.

Under the Trump administration, the USFWS will likely fall under the portfolio of Montana Republican Congressman and retired Navy SEAL officer Ryan Zinke, who has been nominated to become the 52nd U.S. Secretary of the Interior. In his term in the U.S. House, Zinke was co-sponsor of several pro-gun and pro-hunting bills including a sportsmen�s package that protected lead ammo use.

lead ammo is far from done and we will have sanity back in the USFWS.

Maybe the following point has already been made in this discussion and I missed it. If so, I will repeat it anyway.

Some of us, perhaps many of us, would like to be able to continue to use our classic non-steel compatible doubles like my 12 and 20 gauge Browning Superposeds for upland hunting. Upland type non-steel non-toxic loads suitable for them, particularly the 20, are hard to find and quite expensive when available at all. Most readily available non-steel, non-tox loads are intended for waterfowl and contain relatively heavy loads of large diameter shot, often too hard for classic guns. Non-tox cost and lack of suitable light loads of relatively soft small diameter shot would make continued use of classic doubles for dove hunting especially problematic.

I could always retire my Superposeds and shoot only contemporary guns, but don't look forward to being forced to by politically based decisions.

While growing-up, I spent many summers on a relative's New England dairy farm where venison from deer shot with lead loads, (legally because they were destroying crops and properly tagged by the local game warden after shooting), was eaten several times per week. It did not prevent me from earning a Ph.d. in aerospace engineering from Princeton. As for speed, at 74, I can still run somewhat over 7 minute miles with only minimal weekly training mileage, and expect to do much better after I retire from full-time employment and have time for more training.

Well, you can darn sure keep that crap up there, far as I am concerned.

SRH