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Not sure what you mean by sovereign people, I hope it is not the same as sovereign citizen

As for not being stupid? Good for you, you live in a world where the alliance that protects your interests and saves you defense dollars is overwhelming supported by the US. Your country's leaders must have thought it was not in your interests.

Wilson's honorable legacy as a segregationist democrat whose naivety in foreign affairs helped lay the groundwork for the instability that lead to WWII. Which like WWI the US had to help bail Canada and its Allies out.

The supposed isolationist charge is the charge made by people who wanted the US over involved where the country's national interest were not in play against those who felt our interests were just that and no more. They never held the US should cocoon up away from the world, just involve ourselves reasonably. If you examine the accused isolationist foreign policy, it could be said to resembled Canada where it held back from involvements outside their interests.

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America's generosity of spirit made it a superpower, maker and leader of the Western Alliance for our mutual security during a time when costs didn't obscure the benefits of working together as they do now with a president posturing " Look Ma, I'm at the top of the world, the rest can go to hell."

old colonel, the US got over-involved by itself with its national interests fully in play: taking up France's lost colonial battle in Vietnam and a hideously concocted and executed debacle of hubris in Iraq. Let's not count Grenada and Panama although none of it provided security for the US or any one else.

Yes, Canada said no to Vietnam and Iraq because it considered the US "domino theory" of Communism as foolhardy and unsupportable, and Iraq for what the US admitted belatedly was a tragic mistake. Canada held back because neither war was in anyone's interest---certainly not for the 60,000 US military dead.

You must be aware of reasons why the US was late into both wars. British istorians claim Canada had the best fighting formations of both sides in the First World War, and with a tenth of US population, ended the Second with the 4th largest air force and 3rd largest naval surface fleet in the world.

No one discounts the American contribution to the Allies. It did help, as you say, bail out the British and Commonwealth forces as they fought alone for years while the US ambassador to the Court of St. James, Joe Kennedy, told FDR to let us go under, we couldn't win. As Churchill said in Missouri: "Some neck. Some chicken."

As for holding back, we're doing that now with 600 special forces committed and ready to go for anti-terrorist engagements in Africa; others are with the Kurds. Were waiting for your commander-in-chief to make up his mind. He weakens NATO with his fulminations, says America first, the rest of you are on your own. Canada doesn't do war that way.

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Cheapskate freeloaders weaken NATO by not living up to their obligations.

I'm sure everyone in Europe will sleep well tonight knowing Canada has got their back.


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Old colonel, google our minister of national defence who served with such courage and brilliance against Taliban he was seconded to the US Army at a combat general's request. Just a taste:

Harjit Singh Sajjan PC OMM MSM CD MP (born September 6, 1970) is a Canadian Liberal politician, the current Minister of National Defence and a Member of Parliament representing the riding of Vancouver South. He is the first Sikh to become Minister of Defence. Sajjan was first elected during the 2015 federal election, defeating Conservative incumbent MP Wai Young, and was sworn as defence minister into the Cabinet, headed by Justin Trudeau, on November 4, 2015. Before politics, Sajjan was a detective investigating gangs for the Vancouver Police Department and a regimental commander in the Canadian Armed Forces decorated for his service in Afghanistan. Sajjan was also the first Sikh-Canadian to command a Canadian army reserve regiment.

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Chop chop, Sunny Boy.


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Canada is one of many cheapskate freeloaders in NATO

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Don't know about the Europeans but our Special Forces are always welcomed company by your Special Forces; often serving together.

Our snipers often train together. A former member of the board debriefed them after operations. He said our scopes and mounts were envy of the Americans but Washington wouldn't buy them.

Fighting prowess doesn't come from money, lonesome. It's from the spirit. When I was covering India-Pakistan war, officers were being fragged by their men in Vietnam.

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Canada is one of many cheapskate freeloaders in NATO.

Thank you Great Britain and Poland for living up to your obligation.


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That's what scares me about the Democratic party as I see it they will do anything to win even break the law. Look how politicized the justice department became under Obama, and the mainstream media said nothing.

Their motives are as clear as day, we have the moral high ground and you're a racist so your opinion doesn't count.

The one thing that stops them is the electoral college and their asinine belief that they are smarter than the Founding Fathers. There is NO national popular vote. That figure is meaningless. There is however, 50 separate popular votes tied together by the electoral college. And even the corrupt criminal mindset of Obama and Hillary and their supporters couldn't get around it.


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Originally Posted By: King Brown
America's generosity of spirit made it a superpower....

I think it took the almighty dollar and the leadership of a select few warriors. Generosity of spirit sounds like something you might say about obama. Do you think he would have clue of how to create super power attributes?

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It was more than the dollar and warriors that made the US a great power and great influence on the world. Germany became a monster with money and the best professional armies and generals of the war, particularly masters of the retreat. Think of after the war, the Marshall Plan and Berlin Airlift as inspirational leadership and very foundations of your democratic superpower. Note Wikipedia's last sentence:

"The Berlin Blockade (24 June 1948 – 12 May 1949) was one of the first major international crises of the Cold War. During the multinational occupation of post–World War II Germany, the Soviet Union blocked the Western Allies' railway, road, and canal access to the sectors of Berlin under Western control. The Soviets offered to drop the blockade if the Western Allies withdrew the newly introduced Deutsche mark from West Berlin.

"In response, the Western Allies organized the Berlin airlift (26 June 1948 - 30 September 1949) to carry supplies to the people of West Berlin, a difficult feat given the city's population.[1][2] Aircrews from the United States Air Force, the British Royal Air Force, the Royal Canadian Air Force, the Royal Australian Air Force, the Royal New Zealand Air Force, and the South African Air Force[3]:338 flew over 200,000 flights in one year, providing to the West Berliners up to 8,893 tons of necessities each day, such as fuel and food.[4] The Soviets did not disrupt the airlift for fear this might lead to open conflict.[5]

"By the spring of 1949, the airlift was clearly succeeding, and by April it was delivering more cargo than had previously been transported into the city by rail. On 12 May 1949, the USSR lifted the blockade of West Berlin. The Berlin Blockade served to highlight the competing ideological and economic visions for postwar Europe."

I believe Obama's striving for solutions and easing the fighting, keeping his promise to bring the troops home, detentes, aren't all that far from Trump's declarations of making a deal with professed admiration of Putin to lower the temperature at home and throughout the world. I'd call them superpower attributes; there's only one.

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