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Charles Daly - Lindner Nr. 298 w/ Saxony paired w/ Crossed Sidearms surmounted by a Crown & the tubeset knitter/mechanic w/ the initials LE was quite engaged.




APUN is absent so manufacture date outside of A&D Body Action protection period.



So again, sometime near 1890 there was a changing of the guard w/ respect to serialization & at the time a new series commenced and more than likely the new proof rules utilizing a crown, St. Stephens' / whatever, forced Lindner to commission a new stamp of HAL over Crossed Sidearms and in the transition period of 1890-1893 Saxony was paired w/ the stamp of Crossed Sidearms surmounted by a Crown.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Just wild speculation for now, but the preponderance of evidence puts a thumb on the scale pointing toward a possibility that Lindner commenced anew his numbering scheme w/ the patent protection period for the Anson & Deeley Body Action patent of May 11th, 1875(Britain) or February 1st, 1876(filed Dec. 16th, 1876(U.S. of A. Nr. 172943) noting the 14 year run of the British protection period, i.e. the 1st Lindner serialization sequence paralleled the 1876 A&D Body Action period. Although, the bulk of the Lindner - Daly A&D Body Action platforms are the subsequent 1882(Nr. 4089 of August 26th-Britain)/1884(Nr. 305264 of Sept. 16th) design, Lindner seems to have held with the 1875/1876 protection period? If so, this would be a benchmark to date the Lindner - Daly offerings. Anyone have any corroborating info, or even something against? Or maybe a correction on the patent protection period as I always seem to get it mixed.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

The above is given as Charles Daly - Lindner Nr. 713 being a Featherweight & wearing HAL over Crossed Sidearms.

So this narrows the transition field from Saxony Crossed Sidearms surmounted by a Crown @ 307 to HAL over Crossed Sidearms @ 713.

Nr. 709 also wears HAL over Crossed Sidearms:

https://www.gunsamerica.com/975521241/Ea...els-ANTIQUE.htm

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Lindner Daly Nr. 1569 w/ 1873 on stock escutcheon.


C. Daly Nr. 92


Anson & Deeley Brevete(APUN) Nr. 212

I really don't see any other solution less there were different serialization sequences for hammer & hammerless Charles Dalys?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=66415&page=1

Charles Daly Nr. 29x noted as being 1891 or pre-1893 production. That would loosely follow w/ 14 years from the British patent protection period & seem to support a production number of say a dozen and half per month. I'm curious if there any Charles Daly's out there w/ the Crown over V / on-hand stamp for early 1893?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Hmmm,

With 1875 being the earliest possibe year for the A&D IPUN, and the presence of first Lindner serialization A&D guns lacking the first Lindner mark, could that indicate Heinrich taking control a little later? Say, 1877, at the time of the Daly deal and his marriage? Especially if the Daly deal provided enough security for Georg to retire?

Regards
Ken

Many thanks Ken61 for following along and brainstorming w/ me & once again, a whale of a good postulate. But I'm just not sure and the sand has just been pouring in my hole in the Lindner-Daly sandbox & I haven't sorted it out just yet. I too think 1877 to be that transition period but just how many lower scear A & D Body Action might Schoverling, Daly & Gales have peddled from 1877(1875) to 1882??? Now the upper hanging & lower intercepting scear variants cannot predate 1882. Again, still a lot of sand to sift but aren't we having fun.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

But I can tell you one easy & simple, being accurate most of the time w/ exceptions I sure, method to quickly discern whether 1st or 2nd series & that is to note Brown/Plum on the colour of the tubes on the 1st set(possibly including a few up to the Crown/Sidearms transition to HAL/Sidearms) & Black on the 2nd, whether pattern welded or fluid steel.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,

Do you now consider this thread to be incorrect?

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...amp;type=thread

Regards
Ken

Yes, leaning that way but if anyone could post an image of a 1st series Charles Daly - Lindner w/ Crossed Sidearms surmounted by a Crown stamped on pattern welded tubes in the colour of black, I might be led to think otherwise? If not, or if one doesn't exist then the preponderance of evidence is going to quickly mount in the brown/plum camp.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse