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Ken61:

I can't say either way from my notes but in an effort to err on the side of caution, I'd say you are correct & my notes omits the word "no."

JBP:

Ah, just basic info like serial number or partial & noting any marks forward of the flats along with characters on the underside of the left tube near the lower rib.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,

You may very well be right about 1569 having the first Lindner mark. If 1332 has it, 1569 should as well.

Back to the Action Crosspin location issue. From the pictures it appears so far that the change occurred during the series of the first Lindner mark, between numbers 1569 and 2167, with the pin location moving from front of the hammers to the rear of the action. For anyone with a gun between those numbers, please post pics of the action, (if possible) note the serial number, and confirm that the gun has the first mark, being the Pistols/Crown.

Also, if anyone has a gun numbered between 1332 and 1662, please tell us if it has the mark or not.

Regards
Ken

Raimey,
As requested, my CD hammer shotguns:

My 10g in the photo:
# 920. / NO barrel stamps ( Lindner pistols)
Just small letters A.S.

30% scroll engraved 12 ga
# 2560 / crown over crossed pistols
Small letters K.S.

Diamond grade 10 ga
# 2544 / crown over crossed pistols
Small letters E.E.

Best regards,
JBP

Schilling ?? From July 19, 1983 and repeated from 1882 Daly denied a Schilling connection.

Val. Chr. Schilling hammergun


Deeley & Edge forend fastner - protection in 1872 Britain & 1873 - U.S. of A.


Val. Chr. Schilling advert 1883 from 1882 then. Val. Chr. Schilling more than likely had the bulk of the machinery and along w/ Treibel performed the heavy lifting on Schoverling, Daly & Gales' "The Daly Gun". Krieghoff purchased V.C. Schilling's machinery in 1919 & more than likely upon said machinery many of the later Dalys were manufactured.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Just wondering what you can tell me about this Charles Daly/Lindner serial #1670 Hammergun:

I'll jump in. First Lindner serial number series, (second if you count early Scott five digit numbers) using first Lindner mark. Heinrich had taken over from Georg, at (as far as we know) around the time of production of #1332, the earliest gun we know of with the first mark. We think the locks were produced in England. (No ID of a Continental maker as of yet). Although these Schilling guns raises a possibility.

Hopefully Raimey will jump in with views on the marks on the tubes.

Interesting. Cross pin is forward of the hammers like the earlier Scott guns, and the tubes appear to be Twist.

Any chance of pics of the insides of the locks?

Regards
Ken

Ken, not my gun and I don't know if owner has the skill to take the locks off. I'll ask.

What is the highest serial number we know of for the first Lindner series? I'm thinking with production of around 100 guns per year, can you roughly date based on serial number/transition point of 1892, given lack of other markings.

The highest serial number for the first mark so far is #3744.

"H.A. Linder - Suhl
Founded 1874
Berlin Salesrooms
P. Helbig Wilhelmstrasse 53
Specialty
Charles Daly Guns
For
Export to North America"

So, 1874 for Heinrich's firm's founding, with the big Daly deal and his marriage to Hedwig coming later, around 1877.

All as per Raimey.

I'm hesitant so far as an attempt to date, I'll leave that for Raimey. If lock crosspin location is related to serial number, this gun bumps the number for last forward located pins from 1569 to 1670.

Regards
Ken

Charles Daly Nr. 1581 wears the Crossed Sidearms surmounted by a Crown and Nr. 380, as well as 322, also wears the Crossed Sidearms surmounted by something, which makes me wonder if the transition from Crown to HAL was somewhat into the 2nd series? Nr. 854, has Script L above HAL and Nr. 955 has HAL.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse