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King, the only thing sophomoric about LR's posts are his misguided attempts at championing the Red Wings.

All partisanship aside, the world knows the greatest hockey team ever is Les Habitants.

Hmmm, what the hell does Bethune have to do with anything being discussed here. Did I miss the part about Canadians who loved the greatest mass murderer in history???

Bethune is part of my response to Canadians "dewy" about Fidel and threw in also friend China, which US finally came around to after being sworn enemies.

Besides, on greatest, our forum is great for clean and polite, Habs and Red Wings, even Norman Bethune Medal is greatest medical award in China today.

My team always the Habs, from first day at the old Forum watching the Rocket streaking down the wing, his black eyes and hair appearing almost maniacal.

I was a bit maniacal myself, stayed at same height and playing weight of the great Belliveau, six-one and 211.

King, my hockey watching days started with the Habs of the later 1960's, lead by Beliveau but still with some remnants of the great fifties team. Then I got to be a rabid fan during the 1970's era, the greatest team ever!

I can't separate Bethune's medical accomplishments with his adoration of the mass murderer, Mao. I don't know how you do it. Frankly, given your admiration for socialism and communism and it's horrendous track record as the most evil, murderous system of governance as yet unleashed on this earth, I don't know how you do that either. Is it a willful blindness to the foibles of man? A rejection of including human nature as a key attribute in assessing the viability or desirability of differing systems of governance? You sure seem to happily give a pass to some pretty bad behavior in order to support the intellectual ideals.

BTW, Happy New year to you and everyone else on doubleguns. May 2017 be your best year yet!

I think King is putting us on.

Pooch, I don't think you are far off. Lol

Yuk, yuk, yuk, he's just pulling our leg. I'd bet there's plenty of room in the trailer park, I mean big tent, for all willing to quietly compromise. Security, can you escort that loud mouth racist and misogynist out.

Yes, in my day job, I lock everyone in a room, figuratively, we roll up our sleeves, and no one leaves till we can sing kumbaya in rounds. I feel better now, doesn't everyone else?

Hey King, football, no not soccer, ever watch? They're not calling for timeout here and there. The sign of the 'T' is a code, a strength and honor thing. They don't do that in hockey, eh?

Canada won hockey games with heart until Russia showed us how to skate. Strength and honour by itself no longer cuts it. Same with kumbaya. Canada set out on a clearly thought-out course that communities can't live together in a democracy unless they reach above self interest in search for a shared idea of the common good. Countries linked ONLY by compromise over self interest can't make it either. There should be an accepted Spirit, a balance of personal freedom with the public good. (Apologies for going heavy but, like you say, I feel better now.)

James,I've had a superb education about communism and don't admire it at all. At the time I was born, when my father was a Communist agitator during the worst of the Depression, "anyone not thinking that way at that time wasn't thinking at all"--exact words of Cyril James to me when he was Chancellor of McGill in the early 60s. Socialism is practised, served in mighty dollops, in every country today. Call our system what you like, there isn't a corporation or groups of corporations that have the money to take on big projects as "private enterprise" without tapping James and King. Bethune the anti-fascist didn't "adore" Mao either. He was there long before Mao's murderous madness of governance. You can't deal with the past by eliminating whatever doesn't meet today's standard.

No apology necessary. I have to admit, when you mention common good, balance, and accepted spirit, you tend to lose me. What do those things mean?

If there's anything we've learned over the last seven or so pages, it's that the russians can't do anything without their friend. Small, but it's a start, maybe Trump has much more to teach our neighbor to the north?

Another tidbit, I don't quite grasp, 'You can't deal with the past by eliminating whatever doesn't meet today's standard'. Whose standard? And, why can't the current skater in chief be held in question for slashing and burning, check that penning and phoning, whatever he doesn't like?

How does this apply to the new fellow elect? Does he get to dictate 'today's standard' on his watch, like bo is entitled to?

My, My.

Jeez, I'm really beginning to think you don't remember what you post from one thread to the next. In reality, it's just that you selectively filter your beliefs according to the subjective morality of your sociopathic, statist religion.

Does it ever occur to you that the whole issue of Slavery falls under this concept? As well as the treatment of indigenous peoples in both the US and Canada?

All that is straight out the window when there's the opportunity to create a politically dependent Victim Cult.

Is it just me? The thought of rationalization of Mao's actions in any fashion is totally abhorrent. I don't give a crap if he did make the trains run on time. He murdered millions, Hitler pales in comparison.