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Dave, that applies to every country, everything's going up, and in those US rising expenses and debt is Obama's huge pumping of the economy to keep it intact during the great recession, which will be followed shortly by Trump's huge public infrastructure injection approved by both parties. Some call it socialism, your taxes to make work and pay for amenities and military, but to me it's part of a public/private mixed economy that's been around as long as I can remember. Look up how national debt made the mighty British Empire, starting with a loan from the Rothchilds. The only point of concern is whether America has the right stuff to back it up in its people, innovation and resources. You've got that in spades.

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Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
....Craig, my personal circumstances haven't been affected yet, but I've come to take Medicare and Social Security for granted. My feelings, my misgivings, are not so much about myself. What concerns me most are children and grandchildren, and not just my own, who'll have to live in whatever new world emerges.
Me too Bill. I have a few kids that're out on their own, or just about there. I really don't care much either way about my place in the country.

I not the biggest fan of my grandkids learning revisionist history that has very little similarities to what used to be history. I don't think it has to be hammered in their heads that most of their buddies around them in lower grade school are gay and just don't know it.

How about college. Do you think our young adults and future leaders should be 'borrowing' 60k a year to be taught that they should retreat to safe rooms and be provided with coloring books. When I hire someone, the first thing we check is what they put on social media. Would you hire someone that's bragging about disrupting a business or shouting down someone trying to give a talk, or getting high?

Yes sir Bill. If my boy were still twelve and he said hey Bill to you instead of Mr., he'd be worried about an incoming back hand. You don't seem to care how far basic manners and courtesies have eroded, but we get to listen to how bad Trump is? Knowing the public hillery and reading the leaked emails from her and those around her, could you be friends with her, count on her? Would you send your grandkids up in the mountains to hunt with a person like her? Sheesh, the D after her name gives her superpowers.

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Craig, I care a great deal about the erosion of basic manners and courtesies. That is my first objection to Trump. He's the master of the grossest kind of insult, and he does it reflexively with no regard whatsoever for truth or facts. As for today's schools, I'm continually impressed with how much more my grandchildren know than I knew at their ages. Most of them are bilingual, they have heavy loads of homework, they know more math, science, and technology, and they read and write well. All attend public schools. The oldest is a senior in college ( fisheries biology). The other six range down to first grade. And they dress neatly and treat adults with respect. The whole world hasn't gone to hell. But I do fear Trump is poised to move it in that direction.


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Little King Brown continues to post false information as shown above in posts by treblig1958 and Flintfan. This just goes to further prove what I have said many times before. When Little King makes a claim or posts his so-called "facts", it is always wise to verify them because they are so frequently untrue.

Ronald Reagan famously said, "Trust, but verify." With Little King's serial dishonesty, it is more prudent to Distrust and Double-Check virtually everything he says.

As soon as I saw the charts and graphs posted by Dave K., I immediately thought that although a picture is worth a thousand words, even a pictorial display of Obama's real legacy which he left for our kids and grandchildren would be too much for Little King and Rocky Mtn Bill to understand. Little King references manageable debt accrued by the British during their Empire building days, and equates that with absolutely unsustainable debt of a level which has led to disastrous defaults and great hardship in other countries that spent themselves into oblivion. It takes a Libtard brain to be unable to see the difference, and his observation is further proof that Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Tax and spend Liberals are already bashing Trump for proposing more spending, but it may come to pass that his spending will be accompanied by a vibrant economy that generates enough receipts to repay the debt, unlike Obama.

As far as the unproven allegations about Russian interference in our election process, all that can be said... assuming Putin really was involved... is that he informed the electorate about dirt the Clinton campaign didn't want the voters to see. There were no lies or falsehoods involved, which is more than we can say about many of the things King Brown said about Trump. Even the Democrats did not dispute the crap that was in those emails released by Wikileaks. As far as I'm concerned, if Putin was involved in keeping an avowed anti-gunner like Hillary Clinton out of the White House, I think he deserves a medal.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Craig, I care a great deal about the erosion of basic manners and courtesies. That is my first objection to Trump. He's the master of the grossest kind of insult, and he does it reflexively with no regard whatsoever for truth or facts.


Ah yes! More bullshit from rocky mtn bill ferguson who made this reflexive and gross insult right here in his post #422369 on 10/13/15 in Misfires.

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You wouldn't recognize a fact if it kicked you in the nuts. You're a brainwashed cultist.


And how about these "basic manners and courtesies" that Bill showed us in his post #422725 on 10/16/15. As it turned out, when Billy finally did provide some of the "evidence" I sought, it was proven to be false by craigd, J.C. Hannum, canvasback, and myself:

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Keith,you keep demanding evidence.Why? You have no interest in evidence. Evidence is all over the landscape, but you have to remove your head from your fundament to see it. Every post of yours on Misfires points to the conclusion that you are an A** hole. Why don't you post a little evidence that you're not?


Gee ex-teacher Bill, I'll bet you could teach Donald Trump a thing or two about being both crude and being a hypocrite too! The only difference I see between you and Trump is that he was interested in vaginas while you were thinking about rectums and testicles. And how many times did you get caught in Misfires being less than truthful with your so-called facts? If you'd like, I can replay some of them here to refresh your faulty memory. Don't you wish the things you said in Misfires were really gone?

It is interesting that Libtard Bill can be so intensely concerned about Trump dragging the country down while he totally ignores the many foreign and domestic policy failures of the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. And Bill is just as reliable as Little King when it comes to supporting and defending those extreme anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats who work so hard to infringe upon our Constitutional Gun Rights. Bill's boy Obama has done absolutely nothing to shore up or stabilize the Social Security and Medicare that Bill is so concerned about. Instead of preventing jobs from going to Mexico, Obama permitted millions of illegal Mexicans to remain here taking American jobs without consequences. And why would we expect him to understand any questions about the rise of ISIS or the explosive cost increases in health insurance coverage under ObamaCare when he cannot even comprehend Dave K's pictures?


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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If you persist in provoking and insulting people, how do you possibly justify being upset when they lose patience with you and respond in kind?


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Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
If you persist in provoking and insulting people, how do you possibly justify being upset when they lose patience with you and respond in kind?


I think I know what you are trying to say there Billy, even though your response makes little sense. How is it that an ex-English teacher such as yourself cannot put together a rational sentence? You have every reason to be worried about Trump taking away your teacher's pension. You obviously didn't earn it.

In that particular Misfires thread which you initiated and titled "Republican's Incompetence Caucus", your idea of provocation was simply my repeated request that you prove what you were telling us. I had already checked your assertions, and once again, you were attempting to feed us Liberal Left lies. I saved all of it Billy, and my offer to replay it for you still stands.

When you finally did offer up your version of proof, it was soundly refuted by craigd, J.C. Hannum, canvasback, and myself. But you then doubled down with even more bullshit, which also went down in flames. Of course, that was nothing new to me because you had attempted to spoon feed us pure bullshit many other times prior to that. In fact, your previous foray into those murky Misfires waters was 11 months prior to that when you lied about George Bush cutting funds for teacher training. In fact, he had made a substantial increase, and I gave you proof from your own Dept. of Education... which you refused to acknowledge. Do you recall your childish reaction to that Billy? It started out very similar to Little King's pretending to ignore me in the hope that I'll just go away.

I don't just go away. And I have perfectly civil discussions with plenty of people who I disagree with... until they start telling me lies and attempt to feed me bullshit... especially when their utter bullshit is intended to support and defend anti-2nd Amendment politicians like your gal Hillary. I'd say you owe Donald Trump and us an apology, but I suspect hell will freeze over before that happens. It is much more likely that you'll do what you always do, and depart this discussion with your tail between your legs just as you have done so often in the past. Then you'll return months later with more agenda driven DNC and NEA bullshit. Sound about right Billy?

I don't care if you and your kind don't like me. In fact, I wouldn't have it any other way.


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Keith, pointing out that Donald Trump is a crude , loud-mouthed, ill-mannered bully is intended to support Hillary Clinton? Your ability to read and interpret a simple sentence could use remediation. I'll gladly admit I'm capable of mis-remembering past events or getting a fact wrong. I'm fallible, being human.What I'd like you to acknowledge in return is that in issues of politics and public policy there valid disagreements between competing points of view. My contrarian posts aren't intended to change anybody's views here. I just like to point out that every coin has two sides. " The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." Marcus Aurelius


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Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
" The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." Marcus Aurelius


Good quote. Now, if you're really intellectually objective, you should understand how many of us have felt the last eight years.

"Elections have consequences".

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Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
To all the Trump enthusiasts on the board I say enjoy the ride while it lasts. I certainly don't wish the country ill, but I predict the ride will be short, and sad before it ends.


Bill you need to get yer head out of Hillary Clinton's azz and clean the crap out of yer eyes bud....

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