doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com A Wonko post got me thinking

I think it will be as simple as grandfathering. There are many places now that require a 100% registration for lawful transfer. There'll be indisputable proof that a person was not of legal age to have accepted an unregistered transfer, if someone shows up at a range or gets spot checked on a hunt off in the future. Some places require proof of registered ownership to buy ammo specific to only that gun.

Don't some states now require registration of any firearm in the estate of someone who passes on? There may not be the ability to just say it's gone through private transfer. Some of ole gramps unregistered stuff may get flushed out, but even if gramps legally did a private sale, won't registered stuff come up flagged if it turns up possessed by someone else? I think the strategy is to let the last folks who think they have rights just die off, and the next generation will just assume all is good with the new normal.

Just look at how well the multi billion gun registration system worked in Canada before they finally scrapped it. I firmly believe that even less responsible Americans would comply with such a system here and it would be doomed to failure.
Two States that now have "assault rifle" registration requirements NY and Conn. are seeing less then 10% compliance.
I can only think of the failure of "Prohibition" to come up with a parallel in non-compliance to a gun registration requirement.
I also firmly believe that we as responsible Americans are becoming more and more disgusted with a Federal government that's clearly out of control.
Jim

Who said anything about lawful? And, furthermore, it is not unlawful in most places to do a private sale between two individuals.

I cannot see anything you said that answers how "they" will know if I do not register a firearm that no one knows I have. This is exactly the reason that registration will not reduce crime substantially. Those who perpetuate crime with guns didn't buy those guns through a means that required a record of the transfer.

Who is going to know if guns are in an estate, unless the heirs tell the authorities? No one scrutinizes property that is inherited.

Buying ammo that is "specific only to that gun"? What does that mean? Where do you go to buy ammo for a one of a kind gun? Are you saying an ammo dealer will have a list of every person who owns a .308 W ?, for example?

I repeat, no one can ever do anything about guns they they do not know exists. Officer says, Joe Blow says he sold you a .458 SOCOM AR15, about 8 years ago. Answer, "He's lying." or "I resold it to a gypsy.", ad nauseoum. Who can know one way or the other? And, how about all the millions of them that no one will ever admit to even having in the first place so that they COULD resell? No way, craig.

SRH

A somewhat warped definition of a "socialist" is someone who keeps trying to do the same thing that doesn't work over and over expecting the next outcome to be different.
The universal registration system attempted in Canada didn't work and after the expenditure of billions of dollars it was finally scrapped. Does this stop a gun grabber like Clinton from proposing that a universal registration system be implemented here? HELL NO! We are getting way off topic here but there are apparently millions of clueless Americans who don't know this idea has been tried and failed and keep supporting a socialist dingbat who is proposing it here. And what does all of this have to do with the prices of guns? Well nothing of course!
I'm out of this thread since I fully expect the idiotic gun grabbing trolls who are still on here will start posting their typical inane comments next.
Jim

Working from memory I recall second edition of Shotgun Digest (ca.1980) had chapter on good value used guns. One of them was Winchester Model 12. I think price printed for nice sample was $400. I would keep that Model 12 only if you do not anticipate needing grocery or necessity money soon. Trust me it isn't going to get easier or more financially rewording to keep gun like that and trying to sell it at later date. To make matters worse Winchester no longer exists except for knives, cleaning kits, slings hecho en Chinie at Walmarts. In not too distant future it will be mentioned only in books.

Pump guns are as dead a they can be at gun shows. Unless black, cheap and ugly there is no interest in them. I guess they might have as much interest as cheap doubles but not much more if that. The only thing which brings less interest are bolt action shotguns. While I love them it is a true labor of love and a great time to buy them if interested. Plus there are thousands of them coming out of estates with zero interest form heirs.

Estate gun finds can be both interesting and a little scary. I herd of one which the deceased was a WWII vet who sent a few war trophies home. A couple of them were a real surprise. Along with the usual Nazi marked knives and flags were a well worn MP40 Maschinenpistole, also known as a "Schmeisser" were a pair of potato masher. It was unknown if the potatoes mashers were real or dummies but the "Schmeisser" was real enough and unregistered. Being unregistered legal transfer was impossible and there was no way to make it legal. The amnesty period to register WWII automatic bring backs ended one month after the 1968 gun control act was enacted.

Being a hornet nest I was told the items were destroyed quietly without bringing in a swat team, a bomb disposal squad, BATF to sweep the property for other finds for the next two weeks. If I had to make a guess the items were taken out to sea during the White Marlin Fishing Tournament and given a burial at sea. Sleeping with the fishes. But who knows that MP40 might have swam back shore and lives in someone else home to be found again in 50 years. Estates are full of surprises sometimes.

My observation, at local shooting facilities, is that the younger shooters (under 40) have little interest in Winchester Model 12's, Browning A5's, Ithaca 37's, and all SxS's. Many of us Fat Old White Guys (FOWG's) grew up adoring and coveting these guns -- which we couldn't afford at that time. Now we are dying off, or being domiciled in nursing homes, and our grandkids sell our old classics, or trade them in on something "more modern."

The younger shooters prefer camo 3-1/2" semi-autos and O/U's -- or no guns at all.

I expect the prices of 12's, A5's, 37's, etc. will continue to decline. They are passe'.

gold40

High prices are based on rarity and demand. With a generational turn over it becomes apparent how plentiful ordinary field guns are, thus falling prices.
Some guns are out of fashion, as stated above.Semi-autos rule for waterfowl, and pumps are less common than they used to be on the prairie.
Choice Browning Superposed still generate a lot of interest, particularly 20 gauge.
Not much surprising about lack of demand for common guns.

gold40 and Saskbooknut, I agree with your opinions. Doubles around here scarce as hen's teeth. Some gunshops won't take them on consignment. A new generation wants clickety-clacks and 16-inch cordite bags to keep them firing.

I didn't mention you or I or eight years ago. I don't know the answer to this, but what if this happens today.

A twenty year old is deer hunting or shooting a round of clays TODAY in Colorado. 'Officer' asks is that your gun, and the fellow says, yes sir. The officer then says, please explain, there's no record in our system that you ever applied for a background check to purchase that, whatever, deer rifle.

Again, I don't know what would happen, but the officer would know that the twenty year old was too young three years ago to own a rifle in that state when the law changed requiring background checks.

Today, if someone said, 'I sold it to a gypsy' a couple of years ago in Colorado, not eight years ago. What if the officer decides to ask, 'was a background check done'.

I understand and agree with what you're saying a hundred and ten percent. I still think, unless it's socked away forever, time alone will make it harder and harder to use the excuse that I got it from my grandpa craig. Sooner or later, the math will say that the future gun owner was too young to own a gun when gramps passed away, or the gypsy or neighbor or whoever.

Only thoughts Stan. I don't think the gal is going to make things any easier. Regardless of what King might say, her actual words, public and leaked private, say she's going at least the exec route to make things tougher.