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I would say stamped on the characters & is the double headed eagle surmounted by a crown correct?
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That Austrian double eagle appears to be a complicated matter. I looked here http://austria-forum.org/af/Wissenssammlungen/Symbole/DoppeladlerConclusion: the eagle here is the form used in Austria between 1806 and 1915. The Austro-Hungarian form looks different and came only in 1915. The eagle plaque in the rifle case here looks as if it was cut out somewhere else. And I cannot imagine a reason why it should be there, except deccoration. fuhrmann
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Fuhrmann, I'm with you - it's all a little bit too much...! Even the eagle is too colourful, in original it's black only!
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Beside the colour, the eagle is that of 1815  Cheers, Gunwolf
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I have the pics but don't know yet how to post them,I did try the 45-70 cartridges and they again fit perfectly,the leather case has a brass plack that states
45-70 cal rifle.
Hopefully tomorrow I'll know how to post the photos.
Thank you all for your interest .
Oshans There are a couple of European 11,5 mm or .450 cartridges that are quite similar to a .45-70. I believe that at some time a .45-70 reamer was run through the chambers of this rifle. fuhrmann
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That is a possibility but I'd hold off on a final decree until any marks surface & a chamber cast is performed. I just don't believe an American would cobble together the Hirschfaenger/hunting knife in the lid of the case as an accouterment along w/ the brass tags. But alas it is possible. In all my hunting, I've yet to see a hunter in the U.S. of A. pull out a blade to neutralize wounded game, unless I was watching myself. Most want to shoot it again & leave an associated powder mark.
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Raimey,
agreed, it is just a hypothesis and further detail is needed.
Still, I believe this is a sort of "souvenir box", for some items a GI collected around 1945.
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You know Fuhrmann, that has crossed my mind from the onset. Lovely case, but it would have had to have been cobbled together by someone knowledgeable in European sporting weapons and a knowledge of German. I believe I can safely say progress is being made on the touchmarks. You don't have J. Kalezky's ledger by chance, do you?  Cheers, Raimey rse
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Found this on a russian site, the case at least cannot be original in my opinion...     Cheers, Gunwolf
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Raimey, would be interesting to see the "text" with the gun, if it is german or russian..!?
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Gunwolf
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