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Ah Ford, one can always neck it down a bit.
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Raimey
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 Spent cartridge & note the thick rim? Cheers, Raimey rse
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Raimey,
Yes, the 45-70 rim is thicker than some similar Brit. and European cartridges, but some Brit. cartridges came in two different rim thicknesses in the same nominal designations. The MB rim is over 2mm and being able to ID this rim is a great help in IDing the cartridge, but misIDing it sends everyone down the wrong path. The 45-70 rim can be modified to fit either "thin" or "thick" rims as well as MB cartridges. The head diameter needs to be within range of the target cartridge. The 50 cal Win. and Sharps cases can be adapted to other Brit. and European cartridges in a similar manner.
Mike
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Ford, I can read your verbiage, but what does it all mean & what is the subject cartridge?
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Raimey
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 Looks like Starline 45-70 Govt has the thicker rim. Cheers, Raimey rse
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Raimey,
You are the one that posted the above photo, pointing out the thicker rim. The subject cartridge is the one you called me about, describing it as a MB cartridge, then it somehow became a 450 based cartridge.If you don't understand what it means, maybe that is the cause of the confusion.
Mike
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Ford, it is most easy to armchair quarterback while I put all the effort & extensive effort & expense to ferret out the demon so if you are beyond error, please inform us peons what it is. You sit there & command from afar while others expend money & effort while you thru you grace give us the answers. So if you have a better solution, please step forward and give us the answers from above. I am human and are subject to error while you & Axel E. are without error and are a Godsend to us. So please inform the masses to what the cartridge to what it might be. Armchair quaterbacks are utmost to the person to ferret out the demons. So grace us w/ you wisdom as to what it is. Otherwise, contribute to the effort & help the cause. If you do not concur, march to Cornith, Ms. & give your findings. The ball is in you court.
Raimey
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So Ford, if you are w/out error like Axel E., please step us & inform us as to what the chambering might be, otherwise, take a back seat & invest some time & $ and then tell us what exactly the chambering might be. Awe us w/ your wisdom.
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Raimey
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Raimey,
Whoever said I am without error? It was certainly not I. You are the one that asked the question for which you now complain about the answer. You are the one that provided the dimensions upon which my answer was based. I can only depend on dimensions provided by others, when I have no opportunity to take the measurements myself. As my father opined many years ago, "you can't make chicken salad out of chicken $h1t, it doesn't matter how much mayonnaise you add". If you will go back and check all my postings in this and other boards, you will find multiple cases of mistakes I have quickly admitted to. As a former Senator from Tennessee said once in a hearing " if you have to eat crow, it's better to eat it warm". Maybe my mistake, this time, was answering your question, in the first place. I don't understand why you brought Axel into this, but I will allow him to address his own actions, if he cares to.
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Raimey,
No, I meant .516" head diameter. The largest diameter you measured was .525", and the chamber must be larger than the cartridge. You can't fit a .544" 450 head cartridge into a .525" hole. When I say "head diameter", don't get it confused with rim diameter( for MB base rim is .585", but .595" fits most rim recesses).
fuhrmann,
MB cartridges were available in calibers larger than 11.15, and longer than 60mm.
Mike Mike, I am not convinced. The .525 diameter was taken 1/4'' or ca 6 mm below the base - quite the same as on my .450 Express cartridge. Not easy to measure exactly due to the conical shape. But real base diameter definitely will be even larger, possibly oversize for a MB cartridge. fuhrmann
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