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jOe, you're right about that.
I had a nifty little 20ga field gun that was a low shooter for me.
Even with the knowledge of that fact, barn doors were safe.
I do like the target to be in view, it's the trapshooting roots I suppose. Notwithstanding that, the high incomer may be my favorite target.
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Even though I like the pattern printing high I think that particular Model 21 is throwing too much of the load for that specific recipe a little too high. I would say that its throwing possible as much as 80/20 or even 90/10 and I would like it closer to 60/40.
But it could be that shotshell. More testing is needed with that Model 21.
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Guns need to be tested/patterned with the load you're gonna be using in it. If that's the one he uses, that's the one that matters.
For me, anything over 60/40 high is too high. I don't shoot trap, and only a few flyers. When I do shoot flyers I use my MX8 which prints 60/40 high.
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One thing that pattern tells me, and if I owned that specific Model 21, is I would continue to look for a different recipe. I don't like that pattern. Its just throwing to big of a percentage too high above point of aim.
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If another load, within the realm of reasonable hunting loads, patterned significantly lower I would be astounded.
I would be looking for another fix, or moving it down the road.
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Last edited by Stan; 09/09/16 11:24 PM.
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Bushmaster, how much rib were you looking at with this point of aim ? What did your sight picture look like ? Have you tried instinctive shooting that gun ? O.M
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You need to get the gun out to the clay ranges and shoot. I've had shotguns that for whatever reason shot high on paper, but performed just fine in actual practice when I just cleared my head of it and shot. If your truly shooting over moving targets then either lower the comb, float the birds, or get ready to move on.
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Exactly, he may like the way it shoots and that Model 21 may fit in perfectly for his shooting style.
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I would be curious to know the stock dimensions. JR
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I have been following this thread with some interest, and I agree with Mr. Roberts' inquiry above, re: stock dimensions.
I have owned a number of 21s of all gauges ever offered by New Haven and never found them to be what I consider "high shooting" I include several TRAP specific 12 bores most with factory vent ribs , but also a couple of standard matted rib Traps, and never seen a 21 place patterns this high unless after market barrel bending procedures had been undertaken.
It is widely known by double gun trap and pigeon fans that the 21 Traps seldom shoot more than 3 inches high in factory issue condition.
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