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Two shell pattern at 25 yards #455612 09/07/16 11:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 682 Bushmaster OP Sidelock
OP Bushmaster Sidelock Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 682	What does this two shell pattern at at 25 yards say about "full" choked barrel on early 12 ga. field grade Winchester Model 21 One inch circle is point of aim

Re: Two shell pattern at 25 yards Bushmaster #455613 09/08/16 12:21 AM
Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 593 moses Sidelock
moses Sidelock Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 593	Says to me that it's good for rising birds. O.M

Re: Two shell pattern at 25 yards Bushmaster #455615 09/08/16 06:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 13,183 Likes: 1161 somwers in Jawja Stanton Hillis Sidelock
Stanton Hillis Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 13,183 Likes: 1161 somwers in Jawja	It would be shooting too high for me, but that can be corrected. Other than that, fine looking patterns. I assume that's 7 1/2s or 8s. Is that two shells out of the same barrel, or did you mean that it is one shell out of each barrel and they both are choked full? If the latter, it looks to be excellent regulation, too. SRH Last edited by Stan; 09/08/16 06:35 AM. May God bless America and those who defend her.

Re: Two shell pattern at 25 yards Bushmaster #455616 09/08/16 07:09 AM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,991 Likes: 302 Great Lakes region ClapperZapper Sidelock
ClapperZapper Sidelock Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,991 Likes: 302 Great Lakes region	I wouldn't consider those "Full" patterns. Even with soft shot, set back deformation, and OTC speeds, it looks too wide for me. I get shredded paper plates at 40 with "Full". But I'm no M21 guy either. It definitely shoots quite high. You'd have to shoot 2' or more below decoying ducks. Out there doing it best I can.

Re: Two shell pattern at 25 yards Bushmaster #455632 09/08/16 10:59 AM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,418 Likes: 2 sussex wisconsin gunut Sidelock
gunut Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,418 Likes: 2 sussex wisconsin	a faster load would most likely pattern lower..... gunut

Re: Two shell pattern at 25 yards gunut #455634 09/08/16 11:18 AM
Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 94 New Mexico jlb Sidelock
jlb Sidelock Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 94 New Mexico	Originally Posted By: gunut a faster load would most likely pattern lower..... Please explain why this would be the case. thanks jlb

Re: Two shell pattern at 25 yards jlb #455635 09/08/16 11:30 AM
Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,983 Likes: 106 United States Buzz Sidelock
Buzz Sidelock Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,983 Likes: 106 United States	The barrel expert, Ken Eyster believed a 5-shot group best to establish POI. With only 2 shots you could easily flinch on one of them and data would then not be reliable. Less experimental error with 5 shots. Also, a single shot would be best for a study of pattern density. Socialism is almost the worst.

Re: Two shell pattern at 25 yards jlb #455637 09/08/16 11:35 AM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,418 Likes: 2 sussex wisconsin gunut Sidelock
gunut Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,418 Likes: 2 sussex wisconsin	Originally Posted By: jlb Originally Posted By: gunut a faster load would most likely pattern lower..... Please explain why this would be the case. thanks jlb a faster load leaves the barrel b4 recoil raises the barrel causing the gun to throw the pattern higher.... gunut

Re: Two shell pattern at 25 yards Bushmaster #455643 09/08/16 01:02 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,041 Likes: 50 Shotgunjones Sidelock
Shotgunjones Sidelock Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,041 Likes: 50	Why don't you check it at the standard 40 yards? "The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble

Re: Two shell pattern at 25 yards gunut #455650 09/08/16 02:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,954 Likes: 12 Rocketman Sidelock
Rocketman Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,954 Likes: 12	Originally Posted By: gunut Originally Posted By: jlb Originally Posted By: gunut a faster load would most likely pattern lower..... Please explain why this would be the case. thanks jlb a faster load leaves the barrel b4 recoil raises the barrel causing the gun to throw the pattern higher.... What if the faster load has more recoil; as it will if the shot load is the same? DDA

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