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And that's spot on Canvasback. The "Democrats" are actually coming out and saying that's the ultimate goal from Clinton and Sanders right on down the line. The know that FULL IMPLEMENTATION Of "socialism" aka communism depends upon an unarmed populace.
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Originally Posted By: dal
kieth....tell us about our Canadian gun laws and how strict they are please.


dla (sic), I can buy and shoot an AR-15 or AK-47 utilizing 30 round magazines. How about you? I own a Colt Police Positive .32 S&W Long and an H&R 632 also in .32 S&W Long. I also own a Colt Police Positive in .32-20. How about you? I have two .25 caliber handguns, a Belgian Melior .25 ACP, and a T/C Contender with a .256 Win Mag barrel. How about you???

I can carry any of the above handguns with my concealed carry permit if I desire. What would happen to you there in Toronto if you got caught carrying a concealed .32 caliber handgun by your local Mounties or gendarmes? Why, I'll bet they'd club you like a baby seal. Considering the intellect you display here, it often seems as if that already happened.

We don't interfere with your gun rights, or lack thereof in Canada. We sure as hell don't need you or King attempting to undermine ours. We'd be happy to help you guys with any efforts you make with attempting to regain what you've lost if you actually wanted that. But we wouldn't respond with LULLING, or supporting and defending your anti-gun politicians.

We sure as hell wouldn't claim to be pro-gun and then post crap like King did here, right out of the Brady Center to Prevent Handgun Violence playbook, where he once again tried to portray Gang Bangers as children:

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What would pass for absurd in Canada is the notion that a vote for liberals means an anti-gun sentiment, as if a reverence or need for guns comes first in a country's priorities. Or anti-gun to mention US acceptance of mass murder, mass school executions, 438 children being hit by a bullet every month between 2004 and 2014, 13 children between one and three killed themselves with guns so far this year as the violence that defines the US trickles down to babies in diapers.


Chuck Schumer says stuff like that. Hillary Clinton says stuff like that. Obama and Biden say stuff like that. Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer say stuff like that. And King Brown says stuff like that.

Pro-gun guys DO NOT say stuff like that. Ever!


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Originally Posted By: keith
Originally Posted By: King Brown
What would pass for absurd in Canada is the notion that a vote for liberals means an anti-gun sentiment, as if a reverence or need for guns comes first in a country's priorities. Or anti-gun to mention US acceptance of mass murder, mass school executions, 438 children being hit by a bullet every month between 2004 and 2014, 13 children between one and three killed themselves with guns so far this year as the violence that defines the US trickles down to babies in diapers.


Chuck Schumer says stuff like that. Hillary Clinton says stuff like that. Obama and Biden say stuff like that. Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer say stuff like that. And King Brown says stuff like that.

Pro-gun guys DO NOT say stuff like that. Ever!


I agree.



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'...to suggest our guns laws are not strict in comparison to the US...'

Where my statement did I 'suggest' your statement above?

'kieth....tell us about our Canadian gun laws and how strict they are please.'

Please read my text, not what you 'think' I said.

In Canada I can own handguns, black guns, hunting guns. I can take my handguns, black guns and hunting guns to shooting ranges across the province. I can sell handguns, and black guns and hunting guns across the country without using an FFL. I can keep handguns and black guns and hunting guns in my house. My kids have been shooting guns since their early teens. During the hunting season, I take my guns to work and go hunting till last light.

The fact that I can't walk around the streets with hand guns and black guns, hunt cougars with a desert eagle, or keep a loaded .45 beside my bed, does not make me feel any less of a gun owner. The fact that I cannot own ANY type of military firearm, does not make me any less of a gun owner. I currently have nearly a dozen guns, not bad for a soon to be labeled anti-gunner.

There is a price for the 'all or nothing attitude', unfortunately your paying the price in spades. Which is fine, have at it.


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dal, as I understand it, if someone is breaking into your home it is illegal for you to use your 1910 boxlock non-ejector 12 guage to defend yourself.

As I understand it, if a battered woman's estranged husband kicks in the front door of her Canadian apartment it is illegal for her to use a firearm to defend herself.

Am I wrong?

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I agree with you Mike, it is stupid if you could not, but you can. If a guy kicks in your door and rushes you, you can grab a kitchen knife and defend yourself, if you have the time.

If you feel your life is 'in danger' you may use deadly force. Basically, equal force to that you are confronted with. However, you would have to go and unlock your gun (either trigger lock or gun cabinet) get your ammo (separated from form your guns) then load and fire. And no, we cannot shoot people on our front lawn, whether in the chest, or their back.

Judging by the number of dead children in the U.S, and the lack of statistics showing how people have defended off a home invasion with a gun.....it sounds like a good idea, but in practice....

I have lived in Toronto for for thirty years, and NEVER felt I needed to arm myself. It is quite sad that some of you think you need to, or actually HAVE to. What a stressful way to live. My wife literally weeps for your country. It is sad what is going on there, I hope things turn around for you.


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Yeabut you can pulp timber any damn way you please. Priorities, Mike.
Gives me an idea. Think I'll head over to King's and chop down my Christmas tree this year. Figure I can get across into New Hampshire before King knows what hit him. Hole up at ed's for a couple days and take the southern route through Buffalo home. You don't want to be on the 401 in Toronto during rush hour. Especially in a Yaris.

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So the 5-2 110 pound battered woman in my scenario would not be prosecuted if she could prove she had her gun unloaded and locked up and separate from its locked up ammunition at the time her 220 pound 6-4 husband kicked in the door.

And she would also have to prove that the difference in size made her pistol the equivalent force to his fists and/or knife and/or baseball bat and/or ball peen hammer.



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Originally Posted By: dal
'...to suggest our guns laws are not strict in comparison to the US...'

Where my statement did I 'suggest' your statement above?

'kieth....tell us about our Canadian gun laws and how strict they are please.'

Please read my text, not what you 'think' I said.

In Canada I can own handguns, black guns, hunting guns. I can take my handguns, black guns and hunting guns to shooting ranges across the province. I can sell handguns, and black guns and hunting guns across the country without using an FFL. I can keep handguns and black guns and hunting guns in my house. My kids have been shooting guns since their early teens. During the hunting season, I take my guns to work and go hunting till last light.

The fact that I can't walk around the streets with hand guns and black guns, hunt cougars with a desert eagle, or keep a loaded .45 beside my bed, does not make me feel any less of a gun owner. The fact that I cannot own ANY type of military firearm, does not make me any less of a gun owner. I currently have nearly a dozen guns, not bad for a soon to be labeled anti-gunner.

There is a price for the 'all or nothing attitude', unfortunately your paying the price in spades. Which is fine, have at it.



Are you not suggesting Canadian laws are not particularly strict when compared to the US? That you can enjoy guns relatively unimpeded by restrictive regulations when compared to the US?

It seems relatively disingenuous to suggest you were not, that a careful reading of your statement would suggest otherwise and then to go on in your next post, quoted here, to show just how unimpeded you are.

So which is it. In comparison to US laws are you saying they are strict or not strict? I can read words with the best of them. Including the words that indicate your are playing with meaning.


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Gee dla (sic) it sounds as if you are almost as lucky as those guys in Australia who can still consider themselves gun owners... even though they need to demonstrate need in order to get a firearms license, and cannot even own a Remington 1100 or a semi-auto .22 LR rifle.

Maybe when all you or your kids can own is a pellet rifle that produces a strict low velocity and energy, you will still be telling us that you are still a gun owner. That goal of the anti-gunners has already been reached in some places, and James (canvasback) is correct that the anti-gunners are never satisfied.

You didn't answer my questions about the .25 and .32 caliber handguns dla (sic). I honestly didn't know you guys were not permitted to own ANY military firearms. Wow. Did I tell you about the Russian SKS with an aftermarket 30 round magazine that is next to my bed? Very accurate and reliable, and more punch than the 5.56 mm. I don't have to lock it in a safe with ammo stored and locked separately either.

Having been in Toronto and Baltimore, I can assure you that it isn't the presence of guns in Baltimore that makes Toronto safer and less crime ridden. Before the failures of "The Great Society", it was much safer to walk a city's streets at night or even leave the doors to your home unlocked, despite being able to buy guns without any Background Checks, and even via mail order.

What do you think of King Brown proclaiming himself to be pro-gun when he makes all of these anti-gun, anti-NRA, and anti-2nd Amendment statements? How about his unbridled support for anti-gun politicians? Nevermind, I think I already know the answer. And I see you still haven't mastered the difference between "your" and "you're".


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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