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well sure king, of course what you say is true...but, keeping within the limits of the articles and the bill of rights do you see in justification for federal intervention into local decisions concerning who and who is not permitted to attend state funded universities?
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Without looking at the bill, I guess it's like most other bills of rights, born equal with equal protection under the law. Kennedy didn't want to act for political reasons but was forced to by civil rights activists, including his brother. The state got the message when Hercs arrived with paratroopers, fixed bayonets, sandbagged positions with LMGs. The National Guard disappeared like driven smoke. It was quite a sight to watch retired General Walker's riffraff dispersed by a bayonet charge under drizzle-dampened street lights in the leafy, cobble-stoned square of Faulkner's town.
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king: "born equal with equal protection under the law", has absolutely nothing to do with the bill of rights...sounds like you may be mixing in a little bit of the declaration of independence and one part of the 14th amendment. following is link to a definition of the bill of rights, aka the first ten amendments to the federal constitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rightsand here is my favorite part from the above link: Originally the Bill of Rights applied only to the federal government. The door for their application upon state governments was opened in the 1860s, following ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment. Since the early 20th century both federal and state courts have used the Fourteenth Amendment to apply portions of the Bill of Rights to state and local governments. The process is known as incorporation.[2]
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Do you remember this gentlemanly exchange of ideas Ed? This exchange was between Jim and your fellow anti-gun troll, King Brown. It occurred in the " Contraception Mandate - A New Libtard Smokescreen" Thread in July of 2014. In this exchange, your pal King, who claims to be pro-gun, once again is disputing the Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Then, as has happened numerous times in the past, Jim corrects him by providing quotes from the Framers of the Constitution. Read it and weep. First we hear from King, who claims to be pro-gun. This is from his post # 372221 on 7/10/14: I believe what Levin says about the Second was in the the Founders' minds. The pity is they didn't write it down. They wanted to protect the states from federal interference, for sure. But the country is still wrangling with the Second to the point that courts are allowing various levels to regulate from popular vote.
Then we have Jim's reply minutes later in post # 372230 "Didn't write it down"? How the hell many times am I going to have to continue posting this until it sinks into the thick Libtard skulls here?
Jim
Quotes on the Second Amendment
The Founding Fathers on the Second Amendment
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …"
Richard Henry Lee
writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.
"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them."
Zachariah Johnson
Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."
"… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"
Philadelphia Federal Gazette
June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2
Article on the Bill of Rights
"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …"
Samuel Adams
quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"
The Founding Fathers on Arms
"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States
"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
Thomas Paine
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788
"The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
Patrick Henry
American Patriot
"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
Patrick Henry
American Patriot
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States
But this is nothing new. Your anti-gun pal King Brown has been trotting out the same anti-2nd Amendment bullshit here for years. Even when he is corrected about it, he still returns to repeat the same propaganda used by anti-gun organizations. Here he is posting falsehoods about Mark Levin's beliefs about the 2nd Amendment in 2013. We all know Justice Stevens is an anti-gunner on the Liberal Left wing of the Supreme Court, but King tried to portray him as a Conservative: Levin and Stevens, on this evidence, appear to believe that the Second amendment should only apply only to those who keep and bear arms while serving in the militia, and not as an individual right. Stevens goes further in his book, saying democratic processes should decide on the matter, not the judges, as a remedy for "what every American can recognize as an ongoing national tragedy."
All from a Reagan conservative and a Nixon-appointed jurist.
Here's a link to a thread where King was doing the same crap in 2007: http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=38521&page=1And here is just one of the replies given to correct King then: The Supreme Court has NEVER viewed the 2nd Amendment as a collective right. The socialist King Brown from socialist Canada may like to think so, but he is deluded. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms was investigated in the Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary US Senate, 97th Congress second session 2/82.There were even some severe low lifes on the committee like Teddy Kennedy, Howard Metzenbaum, Joe Biden, and Dennis DeConcini. The obvious conclusion was that it was an individual right originating as a natural right from God and guaranteed in the Constitution. Moreover, after it passed, later in the day someone tried to rephrase it as a collective right, and that was defeated. Pro-gun guys simply do not engage in stuff like this. They sure as hell don't repeat anti-gun dogma and propaganda multiple times. You are almost as bad as King when it comes to seeking out ways to denigrate or diminish the 2nd Amendment Ed. It is no surprise to see you two anti-gun birds of a feather always defending each other. Jim says King's anti-gun words need to be saved here. I agree. I am waiting for the day I can post every damned one of them as King's legacy in the "Silent Doubles" forum. As for you Ed, someone can start a "Silent Doubles" tribute to you now, because you are obviously brain dead.
A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.
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once again scut and his toadie fail to intimidate those who attempt to engage others in the gentlemanly exchange of ideas... It was a really good 14 1/2 hrs. on here until this post. SRH
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stan, if you care too, please do join in on our gentlemanly exchange of ideas regarding the articles of the constitution, the bill of rights and their application to the states and to the people...
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Ed, if I knew what angle you're exploring specifically about state, federal, individual rights I may have been able to contribute more than my original notion that all rights are included in the constitution.
Our own Charter of Rights and Freedoms is part of our constitution. Personal liberty, equality including women, protection from the state etc have to be consistent with the constitution, and I assume your Bill applies in the same way.
Even with all this, our rights are not absolute and can be limited by government, and again I assume the same applies there. Our constitutions are supreme. They keep the courts busy, particularly in applying protections of your Second.
Do you believe constitutional law is subordinate to state law in any way?
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Ed, if I knew what angle you're exploring....
....Our constitutions are supreme....
....Do you believe constitutional law is subordinate to state law in any way? You're not alone King, not many folks follow along with the latest angle. As to subordinating the Constitution, aren't state enforced sanctuary cities one of the reason that all Republicans are racists?
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king: constitutional law is created by the federal congress and approved by the federal president and then a three quarters majority of the state legislatures must approve it before it becomes the law of the land. so, once the people thru their elected state and federal representatives delegate power and responsibility to the federal government, then any state law that is in conflict with the constitution becomes subordinate to the new constitutional amendment...
an example would be those states that had laws pertaining to the regulation of slavery...the federal constitution was amended in 1866 to abolish slavery. that amendment made all state laws pertaining to slavery subordinate to the new federal constitutional amendment which abolished that practice...
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and the angle where i am exploring with this specifically, is to an interpretation of the responsibility and power of the federal government, the states and the people, as it pertains to the second amendment...
"a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
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