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I'm looking for help dating an Otto Bock kipplauf. Here are images of the markings:       7x57R and nitro prooved for a 10 gram bullet I got but nothing regarding the date. Thanks in advanced. Dennis
Last edited by Dennis Daigger; 06/23/16 12:13 AM.
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The sporting weapon experienced proof in the final state between 1912 & 1923 in Suhl. The tube was sourced for the Schilling forge and additional effort was applied by said forge. The scope mount obscures the bullet type which is above the 10 gramme bullet weight.
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Thanks, Raimey, for the response. Your help is greatly appreciated. Excuse my ignorance, but what led you to Schilling for the barrel and proving at Suhl? Is it safe to assume that the scope was added later? Here are some images of the action and if you have any ideas about the manufacturer I would appreciate help with that too. I have a number of prewar Suhl Continental guns but all were marked Suhl and had proving date codes so even I could figure out the firearms' origins.     Dennis
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Ah, the mm stamp & it being void of a datecode, which Zella-Mehlis officially commenced w/ in 1911. It somewhat resembles a Greifelt Modell Nr. 180 but the possibility exists he sourced E. Schmidt & Habermann. Yes, I would hazard a guess the scope mounts were added a bit later, possibly in Otto Bock's shop. The S in a chevron is the mark of the Schilling forge.
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Raimey: Any thoughts on the"backward" arrangement of the claw mounts? (I generally see them with the release to the rear) I too have one set up like that...Steve
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Steve, I'm not sure why the hook base & lock base are reversed on the Suhler montage. Maybe a request of the client? What you'd have would be either be a fore or aft pivot. Good eye though.
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Steve and Raimey: as far as I know, it's a so called "Kontra-Einhakmontage", made in the 1970ies and 80ies by Kettner Germany. The only purpose probably was to offer something "New"... It was nearly the same as the Suhler Einhakmontage but offered for some less money. Functionally it was like the Original.
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Wolfgang:
Sort of hard to believe those hook & lock bases are from the 1970s, but I'll go with the Kontra Montage.
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Raimey, of course you are right, probably there was an earlier maker of this kind of Suhler Einhakmontage! All repeats itself...
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