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Hi Raimey,
I've been trying to locate a local smith to cast the chamber. Sorry it took me a bit to get back to you.
There's a photo of the Crown over N next to the ST.m.G over 14 on the website. I'm attempting to get a quality photo of the shotgun proofs where the circled 16 is. I'm having difficulty with the clarity of the proofs.
On a side note, this combo seems to have been re-chambered to a 2 3/4 inch shell. Is it possible that they re-chambered the rifle to fit an 8/57 JRS?
I'll keep working on the photo for the shotgun loads. Thanks!
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Hi King Brown,
Thanks for your input. It may end up being an 8x57, but either way they both make for a great combination! Thanks.
MJS
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MJS:
You shan't need a gunsmith for the chamber as it is most simple. Borrow indefinitely a wax candle from your significant other, then with a piece of papertowel & wooden dowel, push the paper within say 1/2 of the beginning of the rifling. I'd lightly lube the chamber and then ight the candle & let the wax drip until the chamber & rim is full. Bump it a time or two making sure the fluid wax settles. Let it cool and tap it out. Then you can use Cerrosafe or similar.
With 7,7mm plug gauge stamp & the 14 gramme bullet weight(14.7 grammes was the 0.318"/88 bullet weight), it is probably the 8x57 IR. Slug the bore to see.
Cheers,
Raimey
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Axle E. on 0.318" vs 0.323": "Apparently the changeover was completed 1926. Jon Speed's book "Original Oberndorf Sporting Rifles", page 274, shows a table of cartridge dimensions agreed upon July 23, 1926 by the German arms and ammo manufacturers association. It shows new//old designations: 8x57IR // M88/8 mit Rand or M88B, 8x57I // M88N, 8x51 // M88/8 kurz or H, 8x57IS // M88/8S. The German M1888 cartridge was loaded with a .318" 14.7gramm = 227grs (roughly 15gramm)round nose bullet. This was the standard/only hunting load up to WW1. The military S cartridge used a .323" 10g = 154gr pointed bullet that never became popular as a sporting load. In WW1 the German army changed to the sS = heavy pointed bullet for machine gun use, bullet weight 12,7g =196gr. This became the standard weight for both the I and S bores close to WW2. Up until after WW2 the I = .318" bullet was regarded as the sporting type, while the S-bore was the "military" one, used on Sporting rifles mostly for the "Magnum" loads to relieve pressures. Only the 1940 proof law introduced min-max dimensions and the strict differentiating between I and S bores. So take any rifle proofed for a 15g bullet to be an I bore. Also, any other commercial pre-WW2 8mm barrel, except you prooved otherwise by slugging the bore and making a chamber cast." http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post277508Cheers, Raimey rse
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Sorry, runswithelk. Would have been happy to help but just after I made that post I went turkey hunting. And came home empty handed. Oh well, 4:30 am tomorrow morning calls!
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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Raimey,
You're the man!
Ok, checking for clarity...
1. The wax procedure is to protect the chamber from the cerrosafe?
2. If I have lead from both .318 and .323 for reloading, can I somehow use those to slug the bore?
Thanks!
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Hi Canvasback,
Between Raimey's assistance and Dietrich Apel's German Hunting Gun's website, I'm well on my way to figuring out what I have. It's not as it was represented when I purchased it, but it's going to be a deer, elk and turkey harvester for sure!
Good Luck tomorrow!
MJS
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MJS:
I should have typed "Then again you can use Cerrosafe or similar." Just use one or the other but wax is typically handy for a cursory effort.
Cheers,
Raimey
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  Single set trigger, lovely horn trigger guard bow & single Kersten. Sort of resembles a Kerner-Anson Greifelt. Don't forget Brenneke slugs for the smoothbore tube. Cheers, Raimey rse
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A classic Bockbchsflinte in a very good condition. Congratulation to this fine Gun!
Don't worry, be happy, it's even better than what it was represented for... And don't forget Raimeys advice: try the Brenneke slugs!
Of course it's 16/65, so you should load max. 16/67,6 cartridges!
Cheers,
Gunwolf
Last edited by Gunwolf; 04/29/16 09:58 AM.
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