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#440486 - 04/03/16 02:50 PM Belgian Guild Gun – Need Info
jdickson397 Offline
Sidelock

Registered: 12/04/12
Posts: 84
Loc: VA

*** SEE PHOTOS ADDED BELOW ***

Several years ago I acquired this 12 gauge Belgian shotgun with 7-pin sidelocks. It has double triggers, ejectors, 2-3/4” chambers, and a hidden third fastener. It is a very high quality gun but shows some wear from normal usage. Looks like a Francotte to me. However it is not marked with a maker’s name anywhere on the barrels, frame, sidelocks, or forearm iron. There are an assortment of proof marks on the barrel flats along with the name of the barrel steelmaker which is hard to read but I believe that it reads something close to “Giltinplat Steel N”. The finish is somewhat unusual. The barrels are blued as are most of the frame and the sidelocks. However, the water table, standing breech, and double triggers are case colored. I am guessing that someone reblued the gun over the case coloring but if so how did they protect the water table and standing breech?

The frame is serial numbered “27477”. Each tube carries the serial number “27339” which I assume is the barrelmaker’s number. The bottom rib near the forearm lug is marked “477”.

I have photos in JPEG format but am unable to upload them to this site.

My main interest is to see if anyone can identify the maker or perhaps who the craftsman who made this gun on his own time worked for on his “day” job? Thanks.


Edited by jdickson397 (04/06/16 08:51 AM)

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#440501 - 04/03/16 06:39 PM Re: Belgian Guild Gun – Need Info [Re: jdickson397]
Franc Otte Offline
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Registered: 12/31/01
Posts: 3514
Loc: NH
j...I don't think you'll get much help without a few detailed pic
franc

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#440506 - 04/03/16 07:23 PM Re: Belgian Guild Gun – Need Info [Re: Franc Otte]
jdickson397 Offline
Sidelock

Registered: 12/04/12
Posts: 84
Loc: VA
Originally Posted By: Franc Otte
j...I don't think you'll get much help without a few detailed pic
franc


I am sure you are correct. I can PM Jpeg photos if there is a knowledgeable person who is willing to go to the trouble. Thanks.

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#440517 - 04/03/16 09:09 PM Re: Belgian Guild Gun – Need Info [Re: jdickson397]
ellenbr Offline
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Registered: 08/10/07
Posts: 8431
Loc: North Alabama
Forward them on to me & I'll gladly post them.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

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#440741 - 04/05/16 09:19 PM Re: Belgian Guild Gun – Need Info [Re: jdickson397]
ellenbr Offline
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Registered: 08/10/07
Posts: 8431
Loc: North Alabama

9 pin sidelock?






Siemens Martin Steel & d datecode. Encircled 8 or infinity forward of the flats?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

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#440743 - 04/05/16 09:37 PM Re: Belgian Guild Gun – Need Info [Re: jdickson397]
PeteM Offline
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Registered: 11/29/05
Posts: 4598
Loc: IL

It was proofed in 1925. Nice gun in good condition.

Pete
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#440756 - 04/05/16 11:53 PM Re: Belgian Guild Gun – Need Info [Re: PeteM]
WildCattle Offline
Sidelock
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Registered: 11/22/06
Posts: 523
Loc: Northern California
Very nice gun, 7 pin sidelock, 1926, Siemens Martin Steel. 12 gauge 70mm chambers..
Typical trade made Liege sidelock, in much better than average condition on the outside.
Not a Francotte however.
Best regards,
WC-

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#440776 - 04/06/16 09:15 AM Re: Belgian Guild Gun – Need Info [Re: jdickson397]
ellenbr Offline
Sidelock
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Registered: 08/10/07
Posts: 8431
Loc: North Alabama

Purdey Nose





Really need an image of the marks forward of the flats to the forend hanger to make a stab @ the mechanics involved.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

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#440829 - 04/06/16 06:55 PM Re: Belgian Guild Gun – Need Info [Re: jdickson397]
L. Brown Offline
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Registered: 01/01/02
Posts: 10517
Loc: Iowa
Disc-set strikers with retaining screws. Another mark of decent quality.

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#440850 - 04/06/16 09:44 PM Re: Belgian Guild Gun – Need Info [Re: jdickson397]
ellenbr Offline
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Registered: 08/10/07
Posts: 8431
Loc: North Alabama

Serialized tubeset also. Close number on water-table.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

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