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I am cleaning up a Drilling that has been neglected for some time and the owner would like some information on it. It is a 16X16/10.4mm x 2". Actual dimensions of rifle barrel are: bore= 0.411", Groove= 0.426"(@ 1/2" from muzzle), Rim dia= 0.534", Base dia= 0.476" (@.200"), length= 2.070". What would be the proper chambering designation? There is no indication of Maker on this gun that I can locate but perhaps one of you can make an identification from the proof stamps on the barrels.










Other than the serial number these are the only stamps I have found anywhere on this piece. If you would like to see other pictures I have plenty.

John

Gebr�der Luck Suhl. Let's see the buttplate.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

John,
The 67/49 is the bore(not groove or bullet)diameter, expressed in gauge measurement( about 10.41mm). A gun marked this way would have been made between 1893 and 1912. It is chambered for 16 ga 65mm (2 1/2-2 9/16")shells, and both barrels are choked but the constriction is not known. Did the dimensions come from a chambercast or direct measurement? If there is no chambercast, you should make one. The dimensions you gave could fit a nominal 10.75x50R, but there would be several cartridges that fit that general description and a chamber cast may help ID it. There is a mark just above the 67/49, that does not seem to be a proof mark. I don't recognize it, maybe Raimey does.
Mike

Raimey,

Buttplate is plain steel with light engraving at top, around screw, and screw heads. I include some pics of the locks.



On the Right Hammer there is a striking face just above the plate to the inboard side. When the top lever is thrown left, a transfer bar is shifted right and allows the right Hammer to impact the lower firing pin for the rifle barrel.





Thank you,

John

Mike,

It may be a while before I can make a casting. Dimensions are all taken with machinist instruments. The chamber is a straight taper from base to mouth. I am sure there is a straight area at the neck but it is not visible to the eye.

A couple more pics.





Thank you,

John

Thanks for the effort John. It might be worn off, but most of the time their trademark is also seen on the buttplate along with the serial nummer.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=411413&page=1

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

As Mike said that 67/49 is gauge. We would state it as 67.49. It will sometimes also be seen written as 67,49.
67.49 gauge calculates to a bore diameter of .410". Yep, that's right, its the "Gauge" of a .410 shotgun. This also as Mike said converts to 10.414mm & should be the bore size, not including the rifling.

Raimey,

I cleaned up the buttplate and there is no sign of having been a Maker stamp on it. Is the eagle over the gothic "L" on the rifle barrel the Maker mark? The gun in the link you posted is nearly identical in features to this one, except for the openning lever and rifle chambering. They are certainly from the same origins. I will continue the work and when it is together I will show more pictures.

Thanks again,

John

Miller,

I took my measurements with small hole gauges and a 0-1" micrometer. Groove diameter with calipers and measuring over the nibs with the mic. Depth was taken with depth stem on digital calipers and repeated 3X with same reading. I will get a cast but it will be a day or several. Wish I had taken some pictures before I started. The gun had been tucked away for 30+ years and showed it.

Thank you again,

John

Indeed John, the Imperial Eagle with a scrip L near talons surmounted by a Crown is the trademark of Gebr�der Luck. The serial number sequence probably puts it @ the same time of manufacture as the other similar examples.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse