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flyfisher,
Your drilling is chambered for one of the 9.3x72R cartridges, most likely the "Normal." version. It was not made in 1939. Raimey correctly read the marks that confused you as the bullet weight and material it was made from. I believe Raimey also correctly dated it to 1912-23.
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Crown over G - proofed w/ solid projectile
Crown over S - proofed with shot
Crown over U - inspected
Eagles typically note a stage, preliminary, etc. in the process
Krupp Stahl - Krupp Steel Advertising
On which marks have you gone awry?
Cheers,
Raimey
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Crown over G - proofed w/ solid projectile
Crown over S - proofed with shot
Crown over U - inspected
Eagles typically note a stage, preliminary, etc. in the process
Krupp Stahl - Krupp Steel Advertising
On which marks have you gone awry?
Cheers,
Raimey
rse I was reading what seems to be the most available PDF on the net, which isn't properly arranged and doesn't include much of what I was seeing on the firearm. It was the one from the NRA museum. I've lent firearms to the museum before, and it's a top-notch operation. Thought the document would be as inclusive as possible. I suppose not. I then found a scan of a document on a simple image search which correctly identified most of the marks that were confusing me, some of which you've handled in your post here. Specifically, the eagles didn't match up with what I was seeing in the NRA information, and neither did the large circle indicating gauge. Now I know what that means. 
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flyfisher,
Your drilling is chambered for one of the 9.3x72R cartridges, most likely the "Normal." version. It was not made in 1939. Raimey correctly read the marks that confused you as the bullet weight and material it was made from. I believe Raimey also correctly dated it to 1912-23.
Mike I don't recall seeing the date posted or referenced. Did I miss something somewhere? I've read here before that date codes are commonly stamped on these, and I did find what appears to be one. It's in this picture: 
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flyfisher,
The date is not marked per se. The bore dia, marking in mm started about 1912. Suhl started marking the date about 1923. Therefore, it was likely proofed sometime between those dates.
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flyfisher,
The date is not marked per se. The bore dia, marking in mm started about 1912. Suhl started marking the date about 1923. Therefore, it was likely proofed sometime between those dates.
Mike Interesting. I've been putting it all together in one document to keep things accessible. I know this is a bit of a complicated question, but if I were to ask who the "manufacturer" was, what would the answer be? As well, if we've got enough information so far, would this be considered generally common and of low value, or worth selling at live auction? Prices seem to be all over the place. I'll be photographing it properly soon, because it's in better condition than it looks in the pictures. When I do, I'll post the shot.
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Would need a couple sets of initials to narrow the field to a small pool of Suhl mechanics. Should be some initials from the lugs forward to the forend hanger near the lower rib.
Not worth live auction effort & that's just going to eat into the realized value. You would need to hit a larger gun show to pair it with a collector/shooter who you play to be its caretaker. Search "Roux action drilling" or "Roux drilling" & see what that nets you. The 1st will probably send you to the many pages of Roux action info contained herein & the other may result in offerings with estimated or realized values akin to 500€ - 700€ topped with glass, with which I assume yours is not paired?
Cheers,
Raimey
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Specifically, the eagles didn't match up with what I was seeing in the NRA information, and neither did the large circle indicating gauge. Now I know what that means. Imperial Eagles varied from proofhouse to proofhouse & also were time varying. Also after the November Revolution(1918), data suggests that the Crippled Eagle(akin to a cripple coon, can't say) arrived on the scene & Crown over said Crippled Eagles were simply ground off the long standing touchmark. Then the Eagle saw a transformation under the 1939 rules. Just display an image of any odd touchmarks & we'll see if you can put you on the straight & narrow. Cheers, Raimey rse
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Would need a couple sets of initials to narrow the field to a small pool of Suhl mechanics. Should be some initials from the lugs forward to the forend hanger near the lower rib.
Not worth live auction effort & that's just going to eat into the realized value. You would need to hit a larger gun show to pair it with a collector/shooter who you play to be its caretaker. Search "Roux action drilling" or "Roux drilling" & see what that nets you. The 1st will probably send you to the many pages of Roux action info contained herein & the other may result in offerings with estimated or realized values akin to 500€ - 700€ topped with glass, with which I assume yours is not paired?
Cheers,
Raimey
rse I'll check for the initials. I've still got the high resolution shots here I can look at, as well as the firearm itself. Not sure I'm too interested in shooting and care-taking. I've been cleaning out the collection, and this one just needs to go. I don't understand what you mean in your last sentence, though. What is "topped with glass"?
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Scope & rings.
Cheers,
Raimey
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