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JFB, I'll run this through my value system and we will see how it would value the gun. Keep in mind that this is "value" and not a price. Price can be set only when buyer and seller agree.

Brand Value level is the maker's name influence on value. L&L will fall into BV3 which is the bulk of Brit maker's names. It will have 2/3 the value of BV2 and 1/2 the value of BV1. Keep in mind that BV says nothing at all about the quality of the arm.

The gun appears to me to be mid-grade Birmingham made arm. Original Quality grade was built-in at the factory and is not to be confused with the gun's present condition. Hammer guns tend to value similarly to boxlock shotguns. So, mid-grade hammer gun would be OQ6.

The Current Condition level of the gun appears to be CC5, "Needs minor repairs or has had proper restoration."

BV3-OQ6-CC5 = $1,336 for a 12 bore shotgun.

Dangerous game rifles seem to value at about 4X shotguns. 4X $1336 = $5,344. Sorry that this number will be disappointing to you.

The BV is fixed.

If you disagree with my proposal of "mid-grade" shoot back your opinion and why. But, baring some discussion, OQ is pretty clear.

If you disagree with my estimate of CC5, bring back some additional discussion. If your gun was CC2 (Limited use - slight finish wear, little shooting) the value would be BV3-OQ6-CC2 = $12,404.

Within the past few years saw a guy shop a gun very similar to yours, except a good deal more original and a BV2 name, all weekend at a major Vintages shoot and finally settle for $5,500.

I'm not suggesting you sell it for that, but do believe it is pretty close to reality.

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Originally Posted By: Rocketman

BV3-OQ6-CC5 = $1,336 for a 12 bore shotgun.

Dangerous game rifles seem to value at about 4X shotguns. 4X $1336 = $5,344. Sorry that this number will be disappointing to you.


I think rarity pushes the price higher than that....if the gun was a 12 bore shotgun the value would be closer to 2 grande on the low end to 4 grande on the high end (based on condition)...."$1336" if it was a 12 bore shotgun is kinda absurd in my opinion.

If it was a 12 bore and we used my low estimate of $2000 x 4 = $8000....

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I am gratful for the explainations. My "disappoint" is like not hitting the lottery ($2 investment expecting millons payback)

And to be sure, your evaluation is just for the rifle and not including the Huey case. Which I would hope add another $1K

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I am not questioning Rocketmans values, or his expertise. And I appreciate his explanation regarding the difference between value and price.

But for JFB's info., I paid considerably more than the values that he has placed on a couple of my Birmingham guns. Something like 35-40% more.

Maybe an indication of my poor negotiating skills. But I wanted those particular guns, and I am glad to have them.

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Joe, OQ1(best work SLE) and OQ5(best work BLE) pretty much expect to have a decent quality and condition case. OQ2-4 would take a ding in value if not accompanied by a case equal inn condition to the gun. At OQ6 and below, a case would be a plus in value comparable to the case alone value. So, you Huey case should be worth whatever used Huey sell for - with or without the gun. Same idea for case accessories. You might be able to add a few % for the desirability of the .470 cartridge - depends on the buyer. Keep an eye on auction results - they are the best "reality."

Redoak, post a gun or two and we can see how your price and value compare. "Birmingham" is not a criteria. There were a number of BV2 makers there. BV2-OQ6-CC5 = $2,003, for example. BV2-OQ5-CC4 = $3,594. As you can see, a little improvement in OQ or CC goes a long ways. BTW, I've no stones to throw at a guy who knows what he wants and gets the best deal he can. Having what you want trumps two or three bargains, IMO.

This system started as I tried to sort heads from tails of Brit and Continental gun values. Prices turned out to be far too complex to be useful. The 405 pigeon-holes of my system seem to be sufficiently precise to predict values and make a starting place for price.

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Sure! You helped me a couple of years ago with some values, but I cannot find the messages. And I cannot seem figure out how to to post photos here. But I have a W. Hodgson 2" 12 bore BLNE that we could run thru your system. I'll PM you to share photos, you are welcome to post them here if you like.

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Good with me, Redoak.

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You have a PM

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Rocketman, I am following your grading system. (Following but not fully knowing) IF, I were to want to get involved in collecting more Double Guns, I would want to discuss your matrix farther.

But too keep me on track for my cursory inquire, please provide the meaning of "SLE & BLE".

On a personal note, as I mentioned in my first "Browning value" post, I had lost my interest in guns for a few decades and now wondering what will (or should) happen to my collection (mainly modern common rifles). In the remote chance, the L&L was of significant value (>$20K), I would feel the need to dispose of it so I could ensure getting that amount. But with the realization the gun is not some new found lost treasure, I'll now just keep and enjoy looking at it.

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Another thought. You might want to contact Champlin's in Enid, OK for an appraisal. They purvey probably more double rifles than anyone in the country and have for the better part of 30 years as I understand. It might be worth the fee to establish an accurate ballpark figure. Good luck and nice rifle to boot.

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