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Absolutely!

Is it possible that the US government is passing guns to the inner city gangs like they did with the Mexican drug cartel with their so called "Fast and Furious" ?

The US people are still waiting on an answer to "Fast and Furious" maybe Kingfish could tell us why ?

The focus right now is on background checks. The really insidious part is requiring causal sellers to become gun dealers. I've heard it may apply to those selling only two guns a year. It would essentially criminalize millions of law-abiding citizens, and in fact create an ad hoc registry. Everyone knows guns must be shipped to an FFL holder for transfer, the real attack is on those casual sellers selling only a few guns a year.

We all believe in gun control....even Keith, and the NRA.

The fight is......where to draw the line, and who decides where that line is. Even here, if people had anonymity, and had no fear of verbal retribution, would admit to having their line drawn much further then some others.

D.

gun control at the state level is not a violation of the second amendment. in fact, it is encouraged by the tenth amendment. gun control at the federal level and in particular the 1993 law that created federal background checks is a violation of the second amendment.

instead of discussing fantasy national gun registration, and that leading to confiscation, perhaps we should be debating the wisdom of repealing the federal gun control law of 1993 and restoring the decision to conduct background checks or not, to the states?

On Jan. 4th, when Dave Weber locked the most recent discussion pertaining to Gun Control and Gun Rights, he said this:

"This is NOT a political debate arena.

This is a pro-gun website...and surprise surprise...I am pro-gun.
As in pro-all kinds of guns...not just pretty 2 barreled ones."

With that statement, our host made his own entry into the politics of Gun Control. But Dave's statement was not debate. The people who have agreed here in this thread with Dave are also not debating the issue. Dave went on to say this:

"If you are not pro gun you can either leave...Or, pipe down and be respectful of the majority. We really don't care to hear your opinion."

In response to that stern warning, a couple non-U.S. citizens who have frequently supported Gun Control and Anti-Gun politicians such as Obama said this:



And this:



The problem is, King Brown, and dla (sic), and Ed Good promote and support 2nd Amendment restrictions on law abiding citizens. I don't, and neither does the NRA. These Trolls not only continually work to undermine our freedoms, they continue to violate Dave's very recent warning to either keep their Anti-Gun opinions to themselves, or simply leave. Were any of you polled on your opinion of Universal Background Checks? Me neither! Trolls like them are the sole reason why we cannot have simple and factual discussions about the threats to our Constitutional Gun Rights in this forum. Anti-Gun Trolls like them are why these discussions sometimes degenerate into the distasteful. Is it any wonder when Trolls, who claim they are not Anti-Gun, make irrational statements like this:



I am not engaging in political debate. We all know what happened a few days ago. Barack Hussein Obama sidestepped Congress and enacted new laws that will affect many of you. This is the same Obama who recently commuted the sentences of drug offenders, knowing how much gun violence is caused by the drug trade. Obama, who has been 100% anti-gun his entire political life did not disappoint. Barack Hussein Obama, who said he respects the 2nd Amendment also told Prof. John Lott at the University of Chicago that "I don�t believe people should be able to own guns."

Under Obama's Executive Order, if you sell more than one gun... you will be considered a dealer. If you do not have an FFL, you will be a felon subject to 5 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. If you give a gun to your son without a background check, you have committed a Federal Felony and will go to prison and lose your voting rights. What does this do to Dave's For Sale section? How many guys here sell more than one gun using Dave's For Sale Section? That section is closed to most FFL Dealers now. How many guys here have more than one gun to sell or pass on to their heirs? How does Dave know if the non-FFL advertisers in the For Sale Section here are in compliance with the new draconian law, and can he be considered an accessory to any illegal transfers?

Other non-U.S. citizens who contribute here from Canada, Great Britain, and Australia have warned us in the past to never give up an inch. The inch was given up when Obama was elected, and he has taken a mile. Like it or not, we now have an illegal backdoor Gun Registry. If Universal Background Checks was not a Registry, the Form 4473 would not require the make, model and serial number of the firearm being transferred. No debate... just the facts.

Dave says that this is a Pro-Gun website. I'll believe that when I see some of the Anti-Gun Trolls finally get the boot. And now the Trolls will be screaming and e-mailing Dave to have this thread deleted as well.

Has everyone forgotten that the Clinton admin. reduced the number of FFL holders by thousands and thousands( if my memory is correct, they were trying for 120000). They did this by withdrawing the FFLs, refusing to renew them, or harassing the holders, until they gave up. The reason they gave was that these FFL holders didn't have a Bona Fide business because they weren't selling enough to be a business, but were rather a hobby. Also if the Obama admin wants to keep guns out of the hands of people that shouldn't have them, they should talk to their friends in New York and Chicago and have them re-implement "stop and frisk".
Mike

The FACT is Kieth, that just because you keep saying things like this -

The problem is, King Brown, and dla (sic), and Ed Good promote and support 2nd Amendment restrictions on law abiding citizens. I don't.

Does not make it true. YOU do not believe in giving convicted criminals guns...and neither do I....and that is a form of gun control....but of course when I say it....I'm a pro obama anti gun left winger....when you say it....your a true and blue always right republican. Look in the mirror every once in a while.

You would be surprised how much we might agree upon, unfortunately your fanaticism blinds you much of the time.

D.

i for one, certainly do remember the clinton admin...it took me from 1998 to 2000 to get my ffl renewed...i received three extension letters over an 18 month period. finally, when i refused to give up, my ffl was renewed.

interesting how clinton reduced the number of ffl dealers to under 100,000, by the time he left office.

now ob wants to increase the number of ffl holders. go figure...

If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan? Go figure.