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Geeze, Stan, how many 3" 410s do you need? These roll crimped once fired shells may not crimp so well when run through a star crimp die. Let us know how they crimp. By the way, the best .410 3" loader in the world is the Ponsness Warren Model 375. Price is $475 plus $38.50 for the 3" conversion. I bought a .410 PW 375 when I was in high school and it is still in the loading room. I turned 70 this year.

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I have loaded 12,20, and 28 for years.
On PW progressive machines.
just now starting on 410 with a Versa Mec.
Having a lot of trouble with the case mouths of RP hulls splitting when dropping shot.
All the fingers on the wad guide are present.
Any suggestions?
Also I'm trying IMR 4227,
Any suggestions for newer powders?
Not enough room for the shot column.
any clues on wad pressure?
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Originally Posted By: KY Jon
Stan, have you loaded any of the Alliant MP -300? I used it for early season dove and recently on two quail hunts. It worked very well with good velocity and low pressures. Some of theses 3" .410 loads can be a little slow (1050-1100fps). It is 1200 fps not the Skeet shooters norm of 1300 plus that smokes clay targets. But it does pattern well and gave good clean kills. I know your guns are modern and fully capable of dealing with highs pressures but I have found many of those type loads pattern poorly and the .410 is one gun you can not afford poorly pattern ammo.

It also works well in the 28 ga.. I used it last year pass shooting doves late season and found it to be amazing. So good that I thought I might have learned how to shoot better just by reading of Mr. Woods fine shooting progress under the gentle tutoring he is getting.


No, I haven't, Jon. Really have only loaded a few hundred 2 1/2" shells, and those mainly because a friend gave me a MEC 8567N a couple years ago. I don't shoot a lot of 2 1/2" stuff, mainly for clays every now and then. For me, the ultimate use of a .410 is doves and quail ............. and there I really prefer the 11/16 oz. load of the 3" shell.

Bill, It's not only that I wouldn't really want to take the time to roll crimp 12-15 boxes of 3" shells, but it's that, as Gil said, once is about it for them. I used to load a few 2 7/8" 10 ga. shells and roll crimp them, but it wasn't but a few. You don't shoot many shells at turkeys. I can see myself using this new 30" Dickinson .410 a lot on doves in the future. But .......... I also am not going to spend nearly $300 bucks, or more, on a reloader to load 300-400 shells a year.

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Stan, did you look at changing the column position to see if your reloader can go from 2 1/2 to 3"? Being able to use a progressive loader would increase you loading speed by about five times as fast. And on the sizemaster loaders all it require is moving the column bolt from bottom hole to top hole. The progressive loaders have two hole options as well. The only thing I'm not sure about is the hold down pin which may need moving as well or may not. Another option is to call MEC and ask them. They are very friendly to deal with. I altered several 650 from 2 3/4 to 2 1/2" which was a lot less easy than going up I think.

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Jon, i did look briefly at it and it appears to me that it is already in the top hole. I may shoot off an email to MEC to discuss it with them, tho'. I have had timely responses from them in the past via email. Thanks again for the suggestion. I will pursue it until satisfied one way or the other.

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Stan, it has already been mentioned about the height difference between the holes in the frame. There is probably enough range to do what you want. I was loading both 2 1/2" & 3" .410 shells on two presses but I was killing birds with the short shells so I butchered the 3" press to convert to a 32 gauge press. There was enough adjustment for me to load (with a folded crimp) 2 1/2" 32 gauge shells on that press.

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I will look more closely, but I believe mine is already in the top hole. Thanks for the post, Skip. Merry CHRISTmas.

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Thank you Stan. Merry Christmas to you as well.

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I looked at it again awhile ago. The bolt that secures the outer part of the column to the base has two holes in the front of the base. It is in the lower hole now. I do believe it will move up 1/2" if I use that top hole for the bolt. I am about to email MEC for further info about it. Thanks again, KYJon and Skip, for suggesting that.

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KYJon and Skip,

Received a reply from Ron Freitag at MEC today. He says that none of the MEC progressives are able to be converted to 3" loading, with the exception of the 650n4103, which is a "special order".

Thanks for the suggestions. Still watching for a good used single stage.

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