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A gunsmith friend received a sxs today for a WWII veteran for cleaning. Pretty gun, in nice shape, and I offered to help both of the learn more about it. On the rib is stamped: A. Stoll & Co. Mulhausen I/E. It's a 16ga 2 1/2" chambered box lock, with a Green bolt, montecarlo, prince of whales walnut stock. Here's the slide show, and thank you for any insight you can lend to learning more about the gun: http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/wh_graham/slideshow/A%20StollThank you.
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for one it has 2 3/4in chambers...which is strange because I only see Black powder proofs....seems like it was made pre 1923..looks like a basic Belgian made extractor BL....Id have the screw slots cleaned up..find a screw for the rear of the tang...have the action cleaned....and take it hunting with appropriate loads....
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MANUFACTURE LIEGEOISE D ARMES Ŕ FEU with load data on tubeset. Dr. Hause should be along shortly. 1 Gramme 81 Poudre 24 Grammes 50 Plombs Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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for one it has 2 3/4in chambers...which is strange because I only see Black powder proofs....seems like it was made pre 1923..looks like a basic Belgian made extractor BL....Id have the screw slots cleaned up..find a screw for the rear of the tang...have the action cleaned....and take it hunting with appropriate loads.... A 2 3/4in chamber gauge does not seem to fully seat at that length, so it was surmised to be 2 1/2in. We have the rear tang screw, it was just taken out before I started snapping the pictures. The gentleman who owns it said it was brought back from "over there", but he acquired it used.
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Note that a shotgun chamber has a body taper to it of about .005" per inch. Most chamber gauges are made to minimum diameter of the forward end of the chamber according to "Present" day specs. Many older chambers were not cut to those specs. "If" the chamber is just .001" below the minimum spec, which is of no real consequence, the gage will stop .200" short. The gage is accurate only if the chamber was cut to modern specs.
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Same load data as another 16g ML recently discussed here, with Acier Universal. Acier Special is another ML tradename.
Load markings, used only 1897-1903 1.81 grams poudre (powder) = 27.93 grains. 28 grains of a 33 grain Bulk powder = 2 1/2 Dram Equivalent 24.5 grams plombs (lead) is 7/8 oz.
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Same load data as another 16g ML recently discussed here, with Acier Universal. Acier Special is another ML tradename.
Load markings, used only 1897-1903 1.81 grams poudre (powder) = 27.93 grains. 28 grains of a 33 grain Bulk powder = 2 1/2 Dram Equivalent 24.5 grams plombs (lead) is 7/8 oz. Thank you. What does "ML tradename" mean? Also, does the presence of markings limited to use from 1897-1903 indicate that the gun was made within those years? Thank you.
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I have an O/U made by these folks Thank you. I don't have an O/U, but I imagine I would enjoy one like this SxS.
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MANUFACTURE LIEGEOISE trademark & Yes.
Kind Regards,
Raimey rse
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