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Sounds like a fair and simple question, and an accurate assessment of the little game King plays here. Usually, an honest answer will just roll off the tongue quickly and easily. Notice how King has replied to other threads since this was posted, but skated around this uncomfortable line of questioning. It takes a bit of time to craft a lie or bullshit answer or to hope someone will change the subject.

I'd be pretty sure this was easy enough to look up, but boy oh boy what a mandate, eh. And to think that a teeny little 48% comment could sink an entire campaign.

If we delve into these numbers, they look suspiciously contrived. The casual Canadian might figure two out'a three folks are anti lib, but the numbers don't quite add up. It looks to me like your election officials are not giving full weight to minority, lbg-mouse and the female vote.

I think cback was on to something, when you say Canada 'won', there's more to it than meets the eye, hmmm.

Still no reply from King to canvasback's questions. Figures lie and liars figure And when liars like King get caught, they figure they'd better just slip out the back door and hope no one notices.

Guess what King? Everyone notices. You're not fooling anyone anymore.




Sounds like a fair and simple question, and an accurate assessment of the little game King plays here. Usually, an honest answer will just roll off the tongue quickly and easily without even thinking about it. Notice how King has replied to other threads since this was posted, but skated around this uncomfortable line of questioning and commentary. It takes a bit of time to craft a lie or a bullshit answer... or to simply run away from it like a coward instead of facing it like a man.

Let's see if my post was "designed to sway the uninformed." Your question: "Please explain to me how this gives Trudeau any more legitimacy than the left accorded Harper." First, to declare a personal interest, I didn't vote for Trudeau; never voted Liberal. I vote NDP and Conservative, this time NDP which came third.

Numbers rarely tell the whole story. Harper was a conservative aberration. He ruled, as distinguished conservative author and celebrity Conrad Black wrote, like a "sadistic Victorian schoolmaster." His government was "rotten," editorialized the conservative owners of the Globe and Mail, Canada's flagship newspaper. Sadistic and rotten isn't the traditional Conservative Party of Canada.

Two thirds of the country may be progressive while at least two thirds of the media is conservative-owned; most endorsed Harper's re-election. (Something for Americans to consider when they blame similar " mainstream media" for their election outcomes. )

Canada voted against Harper's culture-shift away from its moderate values. Canada ended Harper's right-wing experiment in political re-engineering. Atlantic Canada's four provinces didn't give him a seat; the Liberal tide rose for first time in decades across the entire country from Atlantic to Pacific to Arctic seas.

Trudeau's astonishing victory and legitimacy is more than win-some, lose-some. The population generally restored their idea of Canada as a big tent of moderate governance. Harper's skilful cultivation of the ethnic vote collapsed as "old stock" and newcomers recognized his negativity and mean-spiritednness.

I doubt Trudeau is beyond the pale of 60 per cent of voters, as you claim. "No one, even diehard Conservatives, doubted that Stephen Harper deserved to lose," wrote the Globe's conservative columnist Margaret Wente yesterday. My Conservative friends, all progressives whom Harper swiftly marginalized from the party, are smiling and celebrating with the rest of us. Canada won a big one.

You and I haven't experienced such magnanimity in our lifetimes. I haven't heard anyone blaming or vilifying the CPC. Harper said Canada would be unrecognizable when he was finished with it. Canada said no after nine years. Trudeau's win had greater legitimacy than Harper's coming to power on a promise of greater accountability. It conformed to our national character of moderation.

Where's my hypocrisy, James?

Are you sure the numbers don't matter? You heaped a bunch of 'punks game' on your side of the balance beam. In the end, Canada retains the legitimacy of her culture of pain and violence, snatching food out of the mouths of natives, and raising taxes on the vast right wing created poverty class.

In the end, it's still only 39.6%, and you're playing to feelings. Lobbying the ole uninformed again, eh? I feel better, does anyone else.

James explained his observation of your hypocrisy King. It was clearly evident to all of us, and especially those who observed how long it took you to craft weasel words to excuse it. I notice that you carefully omitted any mention of your "calculated misdirection" which James also pointed out. But it's not at all surprising to see that you are as much in denial of your frequent hypocrisy as you are in denial of your anti-2nd Amendment sentiments. Do you really think anyone here believes that you vote Conservative? You frequently claim you never voted Liberal, but adamantly refuse to say if you've voted liberal. More of the weasel words, eh?

I'd say craig just pointed it out to you above. Again. But the whole world is wrong and you are right.

Remember the good ol' days when you had some credibility and legitimacy here King? Are you still having fun?

What a fraud.

Numbers do matter. I just noticed that about two thirds of "the Freedom Caucus" has seen the light and will back Ryan for the speaker of the house. Now if those forty or so nut jobs can stop themselves from shutting down the government and otherwise damaging the GOP over the radical ideology they hold, something may actually get done in the future. A moderate like Ryan can actually get the votes required to pass legislation, something the fringe will never accomplish. I would like to see a functioning GOP held house in the future. Time will tell.

Numbers do matter, Craig, but James questioned if Trudeau's victory has greater "legitimacy" than Harper's of nine years ago--that is, how well did it conform to a national standard in this case. Canada removed a dictator.

Let's see... when Obama dictates with a pen and a phone, and sidesteps Congress with Executive Orders, King Brown tells us that a majority elected Obama to do their bidding, so he is excused for doing it.

But the electorate that elected Harper isn't given credit (or blame) for Harper's actions as leader of Canada. In King's eyes, the Conservative Harper was a dictator and this election was almost a coup d'etat.

Are you still wondering where your hypocrisy is King? It couldn't be more evident if it was in giant neon lights on Times Square.

Heraclitus said "Character is fate." Trudeau kept hammering against negativity and division. Bring people together, don't drive wedges. Don't do politics with a billy club.

He has promised democratic reform so a party can't run the country with a low percentage of the vote as it does now, making the House of Commons representative of citizens.

I'll believe it when I see it although his father Pierre as prime minister was the principal proponent of our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.