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Originally Posted By: keith

You said it yourself in a most revealing statement... "Manipulation of the electorate remains more important than responsible management of public affairs.

And manipulation is exactly what it is. There was scant conflict for 150 years amongst the Jeffersonian and Hamilton schools of thought until Progressives began using lies and dishonest means to influence the most weak minded of the people into gradually exchanging freedom and liberty for taxpayer funded freebies. It certainly can change in our lifetimes. We saw just such a sea change in the blink of an eye when Carter vacated the premises and Reagan moved in.

Comrade Sralin... Comrade Shit! I chuckle every time I see it.


Excellent analysis. "Progressivism" is based on Hegelian Philosophy, which is the philosophy of Totalitarianism that requires a Ruling Class. Hegel is the forerunner of all the sociopathic totalitarians that came afterwards, such as Marx, Engels, etc. He is the inspiration for the modern incarnations of Religious Statism, even though it is arguably the oldest socio-political system in the World, developing along with civilization itself.


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Ken, has there ever not been a ruling class? Will your New America think as you do? The republic in any form can't survive without a democratic imagination.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
....The republic in any form can't survive without a democratic imagination.

Please explain the benefits to the republic if one side of the aisle imagines food stamps, gender neutral restrooms and 'free' birth control for women?

How do your justifications and and tending your feelings ensure the survival of the republic. Or, were you literally implying that form is only definable by progressives.

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There's a big difference between ruling and governing. There's a big difference between respecting Constitutional freedoms and eroding Constitutional freedom by dishonestly creating a class of foolish dependents by confiscating and redistributing other people's earnings and property.

King Brown has never addressed the notion that when the government takes away a percentage of your earnings or property, that they have in essence taken months and years from your life because you had to spend additional time working just to pay your tax burden. This is a form of modern day slavery because your labors are involuntarily taken from you.

But King Brown is a lying anti-gun Liberal Left Socialist, so what would you expect? What a fraud.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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I wasn't implying but saying Ken's fantasy world after his forecast of looming US social, economic and political collapse, after which everyone then thinks as he does, can't survive without a democratic imagination. Ken anticipates a heaven-like governance where all do as they please, collecting food stamps or dividends, to each whatever they want. Anarchy.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
I wasn't implying but saying Ken's fantasy world after his forecast of looming US social, economic and political collapse, after which everyone then thinks as he does, can't survive without a democratic imagination. Ken anticipates a heaven-like governance where all do as they please, collecting food stamps or dividends, to each whatever they want. Anarchy.


Preposterous. As is becoming usual.

Again, you have no conception of Constitutionally Limited Government. It's always a matter of applying the false statist alternatives of either Totalitarianism or Anarchy.


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If anyone thinks there will never be a ruling class.....they forget one thing about human nature.....greed. Greed will rule if not checked. If you think lawyers, judges, politicians, police, doctors, corporate CEOs, follow the same rules you do, youre naive. Stand in line for a kidney, or surgery, then watch who jumps in line ahead of you, or gets the best medicine. Stand if front of a judge and see if statis does not come into play. Never mind the kids born into those families, think theyll stand in line behind yours for cancer treatment? Even the pope drinks from a gold cup, while blessing the poor in Calcutta.

There will be those that have, whether it is influence, large parcels of land, tons of money, oil, resources, influence, collusion between businessess to set the highest prices, etc. Cant wait till private industry owns all the fresh water, thatll be fun. Im sure Wal-Marts already got their eye on that one.

And yes, it happens in ALL forms of government, just look at the Kremlin.

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dal, didn't you tell us how you made millions of dollars that have pictures of the Queen of England because you listened to other people? Why, yes you did. I'm sure of it!

So why don't you help the poor in Calcutta or at least donate a kidney to a lower class person?


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Originally Posted By: dal
If anyone thinks there will never be a ruling class.....they forget one thing about human nature.....greed. Greed will rule....

....Stand in line for a kidney, or surgery, then watch who jumps in line ahead of you, or gets the best medicine. Stand if front of a judge and see if statis does not come into play. Never mind the kids born into those families, think theyll stand in line behind yours for cancer treatment?....

....Im sure Wal-Marts already got their eye on that one....

Many of us here have been concerned about this 'greedy business model', and it looks like it's high on the list of things that bother you. Healthcare in the US is 'changing' for the worse, but it's not really based on the greedy, rather the stupidity of the American voter.

I guess you are saying that socialized medicine is more about rationing, than health care. Don't worry too much about the next fellow if he wants to open up his wallet because he'd spare no expense for his wife or kid. I'd wonder how far back in the line joe average Canadian gets pushed back to pay for mandatory gender reassignment surgery and numerous other elective services for special interest groups.

If you don't care a whole lot for the big box business model, keep this in mind, you get in and out with a so so product at a good price, and you can't pay extra for better service or products. It's all off a race and gender neutral shelf.

What's waiting time for a single necessary surgical procedure up by you folks. How many dozens of surgeries does it take to reassign someones gender. Is that really caring, understanding and open mindedness?

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You're an originalist of the strict construction doctrine, one side of the enduring national debate. With your side holding sway, the constitution is a magnificent document but---practically---useless in modern governance.

The "living" constitution is problematic because originalists say the courts would reduce the constitution to little more than a blank paper. The constitution over time was transformed by a philosophical reversal of the proper role of government.

Instead of liberal and conservative views at loggerheads, the distinguished constitutional authority Epstein says libertarianism may provide the answer with the courts embracing the "basic normative theory" of the classical liberal tradition and apply it with libertarian vigour to legislative and administration excesses.

Would that make you happy? (Statists won't disappear.)


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